The Yellow Deli Twelve Tribes Communists

The Yellow Deli signIn this episode of Hebrew Voices, The Yellow Deli 'Twelve Tribes' Communists, I sat down with two members of a Tennessee commune who keep the Sabbath, feasts, and eat "Biblically clean". As I enjoyed a delicious cup of their coffee, we discuss replacement theology, the verses they use to explain why they turn over all possessions to their community, and how they try to implement aspects of the Torah into their lives. Thank you for supporting Makor Hebrew Foundation, which allows me to create all the teachings found on NehemiasWall.com. I hope you enjoy this episode of Hebrew Voices and look forward to reading what you think about this co-operative life-style in the comments section below. Here is my conversation with the group that calls itself the "Twelve Tribes".

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The Twelve Tribes

Genesis 18:19
Isaiah 49:6
Luke 14:33-34
Exodus 19:5
1 Peter 2:9
Acts 2:38-47
Matthew 24:14
Acts 4

?כל כך קר, קר שם בחוץ . מתי תתפסי שהחיים זה לא קיבוץ
It’s so cold outside. When you will get that life isn’t a Kibbutz?
Lyrics by: Yehonantan Gefen // Melody and Performance by: Rami Kleinstein

37 thoughts on “The Yellow Deli Twelve Tribes Communists

  1. I appreciate their sincerity, but they have some foundational issues. One thing that trips people is the terms Old Testament and New Testament. It is helpful to remind people there is nothing “old” in the OT and nothing “brand new” in the NT. OT and NT are merely names of documents– and the names in this case do not indicate content. Also, there are no testaments in the OT or the NT, right? [except for the one in Gen 49 and the one in Gen 50]

  2. I really respect this approach these men and women have about living their lives to be servants. The difference for be between historical communism and Yellow Deli communism is that historical communism always ends up serving an evil man who sits at the top of the pyramid. The Yellow Deli serves the Father, who is not an evil man, but a just, merciful, and loving God.

    I really liked this interview because it made me reconsider a lot of the way we live in this nation. While I am thankful to live here, part of our culture tells us to get as many material things as possible and then discard them when we are done. The focus is on “I.” Yeshua came into the world with very little material items, yet he was the richest man who ever lived because he loved the Father and knew the word. One of the things he preached was to give away materials to those who needed them when those things replace the need to know Yehovah. I think there should be a balance between getting everything we can and giving everything away. This may mean that some people have more or less than others and that is okay.

    Just my rambling thoughts… very interesting.

    • Don’t confuse having a wealth or materialistic things as a bad thing. There are numerous very ritious people in the Bible that were very pleaseing in our Fathers eyes.
      Having a good lifestyle or materialistic things is a lable people like to put on people.
      It’s seems very convenient to me for this group to receive and in return not give back.
      I have no issues shareing what I have, but neither would I take a man’s coat, then if we parted ways, send him on his way with nothing either. There has to be a happy medium.

      As far as this group not worshipping a man, I suggest you do further research. This group is governed by a “man” by the name of Gene Springs and is never too be talked ill of or bad about at any time. If you do you are ridiculed and shunned. Watch the video I linked about the two men who left, that were 3rd and 4th in charge.
      Don’t get me wrong, they have good intentions, but as the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Do I think they are going to hell, no I don’t, I think they partially have it right, but other parts are not so good. It is these parts that keep me from them.

  3. My comment is written through the following verses of Israel Faith Scroll.
    Psalms 91:3
    Hosea 9:8
    Jer. 17: 5, 7, 8, 9
    Is. 51:7
    Is. 26:3, 4
    Micah 7:5
    Psalms 37:3
    Well Nehemia above you have my comment.
    The Grace of YEHOVAH YOSHIA be with your spirit. Amen
    Jesus

  4. Nehemia,

    I almost always listen to anything you produce TWICE…at a minimum. I just listened to this podcast for the second time this evening. Interestingly enough, my wife just this evening asked me to look up verses that had to do with God’s blessing on us, specifically with regards to gardening (as in vegetable garden). When she told me this, all I could think of were the covenants between Yehovah and Israel where certain promises of blessing (and cursing!) are made, and so that’s where I went to get her some info for her. Because of her request, I ended up in and around the covenants of promise, starting with the covenant made with Abraham, and going up to around D’varim (Deuteronomy) 28…or thereabouts. My point is that giving up EVERYTHING in order to “serve” is actually anti-covenant in every instance that I looked into this evening due to my wife’s request. As grafted in members of Israel and benefactors of the covenants, we’re supposed to be people of substance. Of course, most American believers won’t see it that way because they practice debt and usury and call it “acceptable”. But contrasted with what Yehovah’s viewpoint is about the matter, through Torah, the way America does this is EVIL. Moreover this, it produces predictably bad results. That’s just one example. We’re not supposed to have nothing, or be poor, or be chased by our enemies, or live in fear, or borrow money, or be needy, or sick. I commend these people for actually DOING something as they interpret the New Testament, but a lot of what they say at the core of it seems to be in contradiction to Torah and that “should” be reconciled. At one point during the interview I heard you mention D’varim which states “There will never cease to be poor in the land…” …and they didn’t miss a beat! It was if you hadn’t even spoken. I thought that was odd.

    Anyway… Shalom to you and Dev and the crew my friend. 🙂

    … Kev

  5. Jesus is not your Facebook friend.

    Matthew 8:20-22 KJVS
    [20] And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. [21] And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. [22] But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

    Matthew 10:38 KJVS
    [38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

    Matthew 16:24 KJVS
    [24] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

    Matthew 19:21 KJVS
    [21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

    Matthew 19:28-29 KJVS
    [28] And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. [29] And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

    Mark 8:34 KJVS
    [34] And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

    Mark 10:21 KJVS
    [21] Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

    Luke 9:23 KJVS
    [23] And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

    Luke 9:59-62 KJVS
    [59] And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. [60] Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. [61] And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house. [62] And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

    Luke 18:22 KJVS
    [22] Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

    John 8:12 KJVS
    [12] Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

    John 10:27 KJVS
    [27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    John 12:26 KJVS
    [26] If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

    John 13:36 KJVS
    [36] Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

    John 21:19 KJVS
    [19] This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.

    Following Yeshua in the writings is a physical act of leaving every worldly commitment and ties to literally walk behind Yeshua going wherever he went. The communal arrangment from Acts was a necessity because of the persecution of the early Hebrew believers in Yeshua HaMaschiac and for the Gospel of the Kingdom that he preached.

    These people have only read about communism in books. To learn more about the evils of true communism talk to anyone who has escaped from North Korea or lived in the regime of Mao or under Stalin.

    That’s how I see it. Leave your comments below.

  6. Thanks, Nehemia, for this interview. It was very interesting. Always enjoy listening to your interviews. I always appreciate the information and perspective that you bring to us.

  7. I have mixed feelings about this movement. The positiv one is rethinking possesions. Today many, if not pretty much all of us worry about things. I think we have to change that. This is pretty much the only thing that stands out in this group. The negativ is somebody decides what kind of shoes you’re getting. Not my thing. There are boundaries and also common sense. I don’t need 20 pairs of shoes but I still think I should be able to decide on my own when and what kind of shoes I’ll buy for myself. My opinion is any group that isolates itself to much is in danger of becoming radical. History has proven that over and over again. I also don’t like the fact that they do not recognise Israel but spiritualize scripture and in essence they have replaced Israel with their movement. Which is wrong and against scripture. This alone disqualifies them in my mind as true followers of the Bible.

    • Evelin,
      I never even noticed that before about Isreal. This is a very very good point you have.
      I don’t condone what they do or don’t do, that’s not my job, but it states that those who know the truth, and obviously they do know sooner truths in scripture, otherwise they wouldn’t be keeping Sabbath celebrateing feasts etc….. So they do know and do the things, but in other things I feel they are far off and to deny they are, is a slap in the face to our Father, and those people that know and do these things yet deny other things, they themselves ate held accountable more so than those who do not know.
      It’s sad really that they will be judged on a greater scale than others because of what they are doing. I can only hope they have an open heart one day and see that they need changes, but being as I’ve know this group for 5 years or better, I don’t see that happening anytime soon, if at all.

      Thanks for pointing it the Isreal thing. It off all the things a found about this group that completely slipped past me. Thank you for sharing this.

  8. I’m always appreciative of how respectful you are to everyone you interview no matter who they are or what they believe. I do believe that people are called to live this lifestyle, but not everybody is. However I believe that hyper materialism is a big problem amongst so called people of faith. One doesn’t necessarily have to live in a kibbutz type group to do more for one’s neighbour and truly look out for them. I must confess I do an eye roll whenever I hear people say, “We don’t need welfare because the congregation can help those in need!” I’m afraid that almost NEVER happens. Sometimes a congregation is so poor or so small that isn’t possible but more often it’s just plain stinginess or self righteousness (“They must’ve done something to deserve their misfortune.”) I have some reservations about this group. (I didn’t like their evasive answers to some of your questions.) Nonetheless, I think they have valuable things to teach us about how we can, and SHOULD, use whatever blessings Yehovah has given us to bless others in turn, especially in their time of need. As a side note, I believe what’s written on the page as far as Scripture is concerned, especially with respect to the original language. “Yehovah” is as plain as day in the manuscript vowel markings and I have no idea where anybody who knows even just a bit of Hebrew gets “YAHshua” from. I’ve discovered that many people, not all, but a noticeable number of people who come up with this bizarre pronunciations are a bit bizarre in other areas as well. Hope you’re not mad at me for being on here on Shabbat, but I consider watching your material and discussing it, even online, as sacred rather than mundane activity and therefore kosher on Yehovah’s day. 🙂

    • Psalm 68:4 “… by His Name Yahh….”
      Joshua ——————- pronounce the J just like as the Y in Yes as the Germans do for Johann Sebastian Bach ————– and Joshua = Yahshua.
      Also note that both Joshua and Jesus in the Greek New Testament have the exact same Greek spelling.

  9. From the outside, this looks good, but they aren’t really interested in following Torah — or keeping the Covenant of Yehovah — or following the sayings of Yeshua. The term people that “share” should be “commonism” — not comm U nism.

    I believe in communal living, but someone has to be in charge — and that’s where things run into trouble (sometimes). Sounds like they make it up as they go along, and it really does sound like communism, little totalitarian maybe.

    And the real problem I have with it, it seems like they are making up their own interpretation of the scriptures. .

    If we don’t have something to “give” — then how can we give? People need to have their own things, at least somewhat, in order to be able to give.

    Thank you for the interview, Nehemia!

  10. Nehemia,
    Very interesting subject and thought provoking. Well, there is no command to pool our resources that I am aware of. But then, that happened to make the Golden Calf. I believe that we should let God direct what we do with our resources.But Yeshua wants us to multiply our talents but the wicked could have given their share to a savings account or a storehouse. Moral of the story, don’t own anything. If you are a Steward like Joseph, don’t impoverish the people so that they are wards of the government after spending everything to eat. I love the life of Joseph, by the way.

    • Jer, you lost me here: “If you are a Steward like Joseph, don’t impoverish the people so that they are wards of the government after spending everything to eat. I love the life of Joseph, by the way.”

      I believe that it is clear that God used Joseph to save Israel (and Egypt) from the famine. But the fact is that Joseph accomplished this by doing exactly the same things you say a “steward” should not do, impoverishing the people so that they are wards of the government after spending everything to eat. Are you saying that Joseph should not have done it that way?

      One way to look at that episode (Joseph and the famine) is that Israel, through Joseph’s taxation plan, basically “spoiled” the Egyptians without ever raising a weapon in war. They then lived in the best part of the land and were supported by the Egyptian government (Joseph). of course, a later generation of Egyptians would turn the tables, but God used this situation to save the Israelites from starvation and then prepare them for their exodus from Egyptian service.

  11. I found this interview really intriguing because I have pondered many of the ideas you covered with this group and discussed about the kibbutzim. Since I have been exploring Hebrew roots, I have been grateful to come to an understanding of boundaries and that there are many kinds of boundaries. When you touched on the subject of personal boundaries, I was struck by the lack of clarity there seemed to be. Then as I was doing a bit of further research about the Twelve Tribes, I found the following link. I think that understanding of personal boundaries, where self and individuality belong in a healthy communal lifestyle is a key topic that needs to be explored.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ex-twelve-tribes-leader-warns-winnipeg-authorities-about-religious-group-1.3007041

    Blessings and peace in Yeshuah,

    Barbara

  12. Thank you for doing this interview! It gave me a lot to think about and hearing a viewpoint that I don’t quite agree with makes it easier for me to think about and formulate what I DO believe and want to adhere to. You are a wonderful interviewer!

  13. I have lived in this community for 2 weeks at first to ask questions, and to see what they were all about. On top of this I also visited multiple time over a period of 5 yrs. I recently had decided I might join the group, but after being there just a single day, I had what I will call a spiritual experience, and consider it not of evil nature, and was told by them it was of evil nature, of course this I figured would happen as it meant I would not be joining them in the community. This experience I consider what I call a firm warning to me (I can’t speak for anyone else, only myself) and I was told to leave. I do not know why, neither can I explain why it happened the way it did, but I know for a fact it was a changing experience none the less and was in NO WAY an evil experience or of evil nature, as I have dealt with those types of experiences, and this was far from that. That’s all I will go into about that as I want to get onto other things I found

    After this experience I did some research of my own, and being an IT background as I am from, I tend to dig very deep about things, and to get more solid proof. Upon further digging I found some interesting, and what I would call disturbing information about this group.
    It starts back in 1994, where they harbor a “known” fugitive from the FBI by the name of Steve Wouton, and refused to tell of his whereabouts and claimed they never knew. After seeing this I found out later that the man was seen with Gene Spriggs (the one who started this group) and the 2 children that were with the father, who did not have legal custody rights to the 2 children but the mother did have given by a court of law, hence he was kidnapping and was so charged with kidnapping. This 12 tribes group was moving this Steve Woutan around from community to community, knowing that he was a wanted FBI fugitive.

    I also found some other disturbing news about child abuse, which this group has been charged with NUMEROUS times over MANYy years. All cases involved beating with a dowl rod stick to the point of what I would call abuse. Show me anywhere in the scriptures where it condones beating a child to the point of bruising or bleeding. There is a HUGE difference between beating and spanking. All these claims are from members and non-members alike, and across the states, even different countries, and the claims ALL have the exact same story behind them….beating with a rod. ALL the while this 12 tribes group saying that people are making it up, lying, cowards, etc…etc.. I find it quite odd that people across states and even countries, have the SAME exact story verbatim, and have not once gotten together or called one another, nor know each other, to collaborate the stories so as to have the exact same story, yet they all do have the exact same story and claims. This seems quit odd that they would be lying and plotting some story to give this group a bad name, when they have never met or contacted each other.

    I also found a link to videos of 2 men Michael Painter and James Howel who were in this group for 18 and 15 years, and tell this EXACT same story of abuse and child beatings going on, as well as hiding people from the law moving them from community to community, all the while knowing what was going on, yet playing dumb or turning a blind eye as if nothing was ever going on. Another witness that the above cannot be some made up story. ALL these are the exact same story told and point to the same thing.

    I am posting links to videos I found to these, and you can judge for yourself, but I challenge you all, do your research, this group is in no way bad, but they certainly have their faults and need to account for them…be it now…..or most definitely later by a higher power. I have confronted many of the 12 tribes people about these videos, and not a single one time have I gotten a reply as to why or to justify what these videos bring out about this group.

    These are a bit lengthy but worth the watch, you’ll get a better idea.

    This one is 1994 about FBI fugitive Steve Wooten http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x241cjh

    https://youtu.be/S5wJTBI8lcU this one is 2 members who lived there for 15 and 18 yrs, so they didn’t just do small amount of time, this was years, and they were pretty high 3rd and 4th in charge, (just under 2nd in charge wiseman) in the ladder to the person who created this group. Michael Painter and James Howel

    Eddie Wisemen (2nd in charge at 12 tribes) sons leave the community
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x29ojjn

    So there you have it, and I might add this is probably not all, this is just what I found.

    As a side note I posed this question to the 12 tribes I visited the first 2 weeks.
    I asked if they had been around the entire world yet and that there may be groups of people they have not met, they agreed they had not.
    I then asked them this.
    You (12 tribes) say you are the chosen people that Yahovah/God or whatever other name you chose to use, you all are the one and only chosen people, an everyone else is living in sin (aka: going to hell unless they repent and join 12 tribes is what I was told) because this is the only way to be saved, and outside of this group you are not going to be saved, so if that’s the case, and you are doing everything right, then if another group is doing EXACTLY identical you what you all are doing, (mirror image) nothing wavering nothing different, everything exactly the same….same food, same clothes, same study, same beliefs, etc…..then this group will be saved as well as you will be, correct…….the answer I got was “oh no, that couldn’t happen” and I persisted to ask why, they told me that if there was a group like that, that 12 tribes would have been told about them and notified.
    So what it boils down to is as simple as thins, they believe if you are outside the 12 tribes community, then not only are you sinning, but you are condemned and not worthy of forgiveness UNTIL you decide to join 12 tribes.

    I’ll end it with this…..remember the adversary can appear as an angel of light…….so I say to everyone, be careful what things might look like on the outside, and do your research. Don’t judge a book by it’s cover, because under that cover may be other agendas.

    Decide for yourselfs

  14. They sound like a mixture of church of god, mormanism, quakers, and hippies. They teach idolatry by worshiping, yeshua and paul. They never once mentioned Yehovah as the one and true Elohim.

  15. Nehemia,
    Just before the 22 min mark, you said that the Jewish interpretation of “a nation of cohenim” is different than their or perhaps any Gentile/Christian/Messianic interpretation. Could you please clarify for us the majority Jewish interpretation you spoke about? There may be many, like myself, that have never heard it explained from the Jewish perspective. Thanks!

    • In Exodus 20:5-6 God offers the Israelites that if they accept His covenant, they will be a “kingdom of priests and a holy nation”. Two verses later, in Exodus 20:8 the Israelites accept the offer. This covenant is established with God speaking to the people at Sinai. Jews believe this covenant was established at Sinai, just as written in the Torah, and ever since we and our ancestors have been that “kingdom of priests and a holy nation”.

      Some Christians apparently believe the Israelites rejected God’s offer and never became His “kingdom of priests and a holy nation”. The Israelites supposedly did this after the Revelation at Sinai when they asked God not to speak to them directly as a nation, but instead for Moses to bring God’s words to them. However, in Deuteronomy 5:28-29 God responds to the Israelites’ request for Him not to speak to them directly as a sign of their faith in Him. God explains to Moses: “all that they have spoken was good. If only they always had this heart of theirs to fear Me and to keep My commandments always…”

  16. Sorry, it’s a cult, even though I believe they do have some truth’s (which cults often do) And they absolutely have the right to view things the way they want. It’s just a little creepy that they have to separate themselves as if it’s something different/special. And I do understand people trying to be as precise as possible to living as Yeshua did and asks, but again, to culty (if that’s a word) : )
    Nehemia G is extremely gracious and professional.

  17. That was very interesting! They are very confident in their own beliefs! I found myself saying, “YeHoVAH!” “YeHoVAH!” LOL. I’m not the police, but…right is right!
    This was a fun episode! TY Nehemia!

  18. Isn’t righteousness wonderful? Nehemia, I hope to some day interest you in helping me understand what appears to be the universal “mistranslation” of Jeremiah 31:33, as it came up in the current episode. Every translation I’ve seen says to the effect of “I will put my law…”, whereas, best I can tell, the hebrew indicates “I have given my law…” Please Nehemia, what gives with this?

  19. “We went to the Appalachian Trail and gave all this food for free, we love to do things like that”HAHAHA they make is sound like they are sooo charitable, sooo full of the love of God…give me a break, of course they have ulterior motives, they are there to recruit young people possibly. All their work is worth it if they can only gain 1 more member it would mean one more slave for life, one more mother or father, more children to brainwash, plus all the possessions this person might give to the leaders. I was a member for years and never saw a cent, I worked my back off while the leaders sit around making all the decisions, having their meetings, living the dolce vita, messing with everyone’s private affairs, spending all the money. I never had a say in any decisions, I was just told what was my job for the day and how to think about everything. And that’s it. There is no real “share everything in common”, nor is there a true democratic council as they always tell everyone they meet. And they hate christianity and think christians are more deceived than the average person because christians think they have the holy spirit and part of God’s people but only the Twelve Tribes are the good guys, everyone else is going to hell…yes that is as low as they think, while they smile and give you a cup of coffee

    • just want to add, it was a great interview you gave Nehemiah, thank you sir, it was the first time to my knowledge someone from Judaism interviews the members of the TT, interesting perspectives shared.

      • Thank you, Ricoo! That means alot to me from an ex-member. Do you think some of the issues raised on the recent A&E documentary are a result of their communist lifestyle? Hillary Clinton told us “it takes a village to raise a child”. Maybe this is what it looks like when a village raises a child!

        • Nehemia,
          My thoughts are that in a way yes, this is sadly the result, but also I believe a 8 year old has no say in how a child should be raised out diceplined, and this is how they work. You as a parent, Father or mother, have no day directly in how to raise your child, if an 8 year old, 16 year old sees fit that your child is doing wrong, you are too discipline your child, and in some cases you see you don’t get a choice as to what the punishment will be yourself, you are told what and how you will discipline your child by the sheppard’s. It’s not all cut and dry at they want to portray up front.

  20. Nehemia,

    SHEMA

    I write as a practicing and Karaite in practice and belief of my interpretation of
    Torah. This Group of People in TN have clearly created just another version of Messianic christian theology that believes and idolizes much more in a false christian god, than of our Hebrew mono theistic worship of our root YHVH who adhere only to the given Torah and its Elohim given ISRAELITE LAWS.
    These people have developed their own communistic version religion with their own unique and individual interpretations, all dependent on their own commentaries of the “christian apostles” writings in their protestant version christian bible.

    They appear to be trying hard to incorporate the values and some of the selected customs from some of the Old LAWS of ISRAEL for the purpose of giving them credence and validity of their kibbutz-like purpose to provide a foundational baseline to their group purpose, established beliefs and common mission.
    They are then calling themselves also “set apart people”. They may be indeed set apart, but they are not the set apart Israelite SEED of YHVH.

    Thank you for interviewing these people and sharing their idolatry and beliefs with us.
    L’ Shalom

  21. Very interesting interview! Nehemia – great job on a very honoring interview. As always, you concentrated on commonalities. I had never heard of this group, but I researched it a bit and they have a Yellow Deli in Boulder. I might have to go visit it to check out the coffee.

    • Brenda, please read Ricco Chie’s comment @ June 28 – 8:18am. My family has known of the TT for several years and we’ve talked to others who have left. There is definitely cultish oppression involved: identity erasure, isolation, humiliation, and indoctrination. Everyone is very heavily controlled and their speech patterns border on self-hypnosis. They only “follow Torah” to the extent that its teachings are handed down by unanimous agreement of their “council of elders” – individuals are not allowed to read and be personally convicted to follow a command that has not been “given” to the council. For example a person who wears tzitzit and decides to join them will be COMMANDED to remove them! (By the same token, anyone already part of the group who felt they ought to start wearing tzitzit would not be allowed.)

      Now, don’t get me wrong – there ARE aspects of the group that are commendable. The Yellow Deli is one of the only places my family will “eat out” since they only serve things YHVH says are food. (However, I know an observant Jew wouldn’t want to eat there because they still mix meat and dairy.) Also, we generally agree with their stated ideal of sharing and taking care of each other, we just strongly disagree with how they go about implementing it. We have been “condemned” by them in the past as those who “disobey the gospel” because we didn’t want to join them. However, over the years, I think they have come to respect us to some extent, after seeing us continue to stand firm in our faith apart from them. May YHVH bless you and give you wisdom as you walk through this life! =)

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