Hebrew Voices #79 – The Truth About the Seven Noachide Laws

In this episode of Hebrew Voices, The Truth About the Seven Noachide Laws, Nehemia Gordon talks about how the Noachide Laws are actually a Rabbinic construct, how in-fact we see in Isaiah 56 that there is one law for the native born and the sojourner, and the incredible number of people around the world who are joining themselves to Yehovah. Daniel wrote: “I really appreciate you explaining the origins of these noachide laws. Blessings to you Nehemia!!!”

I look forward to reading your comments!

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Hebrew Voices #79 - The Truth About the Seven Noachide Laws

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Nehemia: And I said to them, “So, how could these Gentiles know these Seven Laws? And why don’t they know about these Seven Laws anywhere in the world except for in the Talmud and the Midrash? Why don’t the Gentiles know these Laws if they were given to Noah? Noah has descendants. Those descendants remember about the Flood all over the world. You have Flood stories among the Maya, you name it, all over the world. But they don’t know about the Seven Noachite Laws. That only comes from the Oral Law.”

Michael: You've had some questions come up.

Nehemia: Yeah, so here's one. This is a really good one. Josh Brown wrote, "In your view, are there definite categories of the people of Israel versus the strangers among them, versus foreigners, you know, God versus all the other foreigners? Are there different expectations to these groups? In other words, if you're born a Jew or from the 12 Tribes of Israel, is there one set of commandments for you, and a different Torah for the stranger, for the one who's not born from Israel?"

And I think what this gentleman is getting at - and if he's not, this is asked a lot - is about the Seven Noahide Laws, which is what the Rabbis teach. They teach that the Jews are under one set of commandments in the Torah. They describe it as “613 Commandments” a number that's completely made up, that's not in the Torah anywhere. They say the Jews have 613 Commandments and the Gentiles only have Seven Commandments. Where can these Seven Commandments be found? Of course, they're not in the Torah. They're in the Talmud and in the Midrash, they're in the Oral Law.

And I've actually asked this to Chabad Rabbis who are going around teaching Gentiles to keep the Seven Noahide laws. And I said to them, “So, how could these Gentiles know these Seven Laws, and why don't they know about these Seven Laws anywhere in the world except for in the Talmud and the Midrash? Why don't the Gentiles know these laws if they were given to Noah? Noah has descendants. Those descendants remember about the Flood all over the world. You have Flood stories among the Maya, you name it, all over the world. But they don't know about the Seven Noahide Laws, that only comes from the Oral Law.” And the way I read the Torah is, there's one Torah for the native-born and the sojourner, that's the whole point.

Michael: Yeah, that's it.

Nehemia: That's what Isaiah 56 is about. He says, "Let not the son of the Gentile who joins himself to Yehovah say, ‘Yehovah has surely separated me from His people. You must not say that.’” Now, it's very interesting, Michael. I was recently speaking in a synagogue on Shavuot. And there was this young girl in the audience, she had just gone through Bat Mitzvah. She was around 12 years old. And she raised her hand during the Q&A and she said, “You know, I know you do this interfaith dialogue thing with non-Jews, and I've heard about these Christians who keep the Torah. Do you know anything about these people?” I was shocked. This isn't the Messianic synagogue. This is a real synagogue.

Michael: This is a real synagogue.

Nehemia: This is a Conservative synagogue, and I asked her, “Where do you know about that from?” And she said, in her Jewish school, they taught her about this. In the Jewish school they taught her, they said, “You guys need to be aware. There's this thing called ‘Jews for Jesus’ which is basically a scam to trick Jews into believing in Jesus.” This is what they're teaching her in the school. And they said, “But there's this other thing that's completely different, which are these…They call them ‘Christians.’ There are these Christians who live by the Torah, and they're not trying to change us or convince us of anything. They're just trying to live by the Torah.” And she wanted to know more about it. She had learned about it in school.

Michael: Wow.

Nehemia: And I actually asked her, I said, “So is your teacher Jewish?” And she said, “Oh, yeah, my teacher is a Conservative Jew,” you know, no different than anybody else.

Michael: This is something that's becoming such an issue that they're actually being taught this in grade school in a Jewish school.

Nehemia: They're encountering people out in the world who are keeping Torah, who they see in the supermarket with the “zit-zit” as my friend Keith calls them, with tzitzit. And they're saying, “Well, wait a minute. What are you guys? Are you Jewish?” “No, I'm not Jewish.” And so, they're explaining it the best they know how.

In other words, her teacher clearly doesn't have all the information. But I think it's interesting that this is... You know, 20 years ago, or more than 20 years ago when I first met a man who described himself as a “Messianic Gentile,” that was unheard of. I used to bring these people over to Friday night dinner at my mother's house. And these were people who believed in Yeshua and kept the Torah. And she would refer to these people as “my Christian friends.”

And I tried to tell her, “No, Mom. They don't consider themselves Christians.” And she'd say, “Do they believe in Jesus?” And I'd say, “Well, they call him Yeshua.” “Then they're Christians, they're Catholics.” In her mind, that's what it was.

And now we've gotten to the point, from my mother's generation, anybody who has anything to do with the New Testament is a Christian, and really a Catholic, to now they're being taught in these Jewish schools that, “Hey, there are these non-Jews out there who want to keep the Torah and live by the Torah.” And they're still calling them “Christians” but they're getting more of an understanding. This is a growing phenomenon, Michael. I've met people like this all over the world. God's doing something with these people, it's incredible.

Michael: Yes, it’s completely out of the blue. I mean, you're meeting them in the roughest places of South Africa, who have revelations and then you're sent there to decode this.

Nehemia: In Beijing, China a woman says to me, “I had a dream and God appeared to me in the dream and told me I need to keep the Torah.” In Beijing, China. The woman doesn't speak a word of English. We're speaking through an interpreter. I mean, this is a God thing. This is unbelievable.

Michael: Yeah, it is. It really is.

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  • Marie Schryver says:

    I could be wrong so I’m asking for your expertise in two matters.

    Do those who follow the Enoch/Zadok calendar/flat earthers also follow the Noachide laws? I saw something that pointed in that direction but thought you would know more.
    (I am not of that sect but know many who are.)

    Also, do Karaites celebrate Hanukkah?

    Thank you for all you do!
    Shalom!

    • Rachel says:

      No. Noahide law is being adopted worldwide in a satanist agenda to kill Jesus believing Christians. They are set for the antichrist to make people deny Jesus or be beheaded.

      • Paul says:

        No Rachel. People who left Christianity yet still embraced the Hebrew Scriptures became Noahides because the Orthodox Jews whom they turned to taught them that. They just haven’t learned yet that the Oral Torah is an invention of the rabbis. They love God and follow Him closely, like Noah and Job. They don’t have any interest whatsoever in your belief in Jesus. Please learn more about Noahides before saying such hateful things. Those are hard to walk back when you find out you’re wrong.

  • J.W. Brakebill says:

    This may seem controversial, but I tend to lean towards the belief that God, being fair and just, is not apt to set a stricter set of guidelines and expectations for his people to HAVE TO follow, then give the strangers and gentiles an easier path to salvation, such as, just following the Noachide laws. Such would not be fair to the Jews.

    From Contemporary English Bible, Galatians 2:14. “But when I saw that they were not really obeying the truth that is in the good news, I corrected Peter in front of everyone and said: Peter, you are a Jew, but you live like a Gentile. So HOW CAN YOU FORCE GENTILES TO LIVE LIKE JEWS?”

    I believe herein lies where Christianity jumped the tracks. The INITIAL concept behind offering salvation to the gentiles, was because the Jews rejected Yeshua, His blood sacrifice to cover their sins, granting them forgiveness. Rather, they CHOSE to continue the sin offerings, so God allowed the Temple to be torn down, maybe even inspired the Romans to do so, which effectively STOPPED the sacrifices. Yehovah put an end to the sacrifices. It HAD to be this way, because God has control of ALL things.

    So being a fair and just God, He opened salvation to the gentiles under the very same guidelines and stipulations as the Jews. OBEY His voice, follow His laws, and BELIEVE in Yeshua, having faith in His blood for forgiveness of sins.

    But the gentiles wanted to accept belief in Christ, BUT NOT, as a general rule, OBEY the Torah or various laws of God. So the Jews rejected Yeshua as Messiah, to this day, and the gentiles (Christianity believes in Yeshua,) but rejects the laws/commands of God. No wonder Revelation describes the coming pouring out of the wrath of God upon humanity.

    • Joseph says:

      Acts 15 is a document laying out basic requirements to come into the faith. As one matures and acquires wisdom then they will make decisions from the heart rather than their head, thus coming into the”Commonwealth of Israel “.(Rom11)

      This applies to Jew and Gentile.

      Nehemiah, you and Michael Rood mentioned all the Gentiles accepting the Torah but neglected to mention all the Jews accepting Yeshua as the prophesied Messiah. That is what Paul was referencing (provoking them to jealousy) in Rom11:14.

      • Marie Schryver says:

        Gentile means out of covenant; someone other than a grafted-in believer in Yashua aka Israel.
        Our Father would not give instructions for those He loves that would put them back into bondage once they were freed from the bondage of Egypt.
        Yashua came to teach us how to be obedient to His Father’s instructions (Torah) and once we are grafted-in through Him, we keep His commands out of love and respect.
        It is a marriage covenant. When we keep His commands, the covenant is intact. When we break or chose to ignore His commands, we are adulterers and have broken covenant and that would make us a gentile.
        To say that you are a gentile believer is an oxymoron.

  • donald murphy says:

    I do not know everything about the tanch, but I do know enough to stay away from all pagan religions including christianty.

    • Phillip..........ode to Charles Dickens' Christmas says:

      Yada,yada, but just scientifically prove to us all Jesus didn’t rise from the dead.
      You are the scientist.

      Oh,……. And that Great White throne thing and everything that proceeds out of the mouth of a man

      Have a good day believer in what

  • Richard says:

    My only question is the verse:

    (Deut. 14:21 “) Ye shall not eat of any thing that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that is in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an alien: for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God.”

  • Hiltona Castleberry says:

    I couldn’t help but giggle when you said one Law for the Jews and one Law for the Gentiles! Oh my goodness….I’ve heard the same thing from the Christian side…one judgment for the Jews and a rapture (no tribulation) for the Gentiles. Some days I sit in amazement and picture the Father up there looking down on us and simply shaking His head in disbelief. Oh my…will we ever get it right? Jew and Gentile need to study Isaiah 56.

  • Adele says:

    When I was in Jerusalem last year during Sukkot, I approached an obviously Jewish man (possibly a Rabbi) who had the packaged bundles of sticks, As I watched him from a distance he appeared to try to give one to a young lady, but she gave it back. I was trying to find out what the bundle of sticks was all about so I went up to him and asked. He asked if I was Jewish. When I said no,he responded with “Have a nice day.” refusing to be so summarily dismissed, I continued to query him. His son came out of the booth and handed him a card which he gave to me, telling me I should keep these 7 or 8 Noahide laws. Glancing at the card I saw that I already do most of these things…I wondered what do I do next? But all he had for me was “Have a nice day.”

  • Deborah Shively says:

    As a Christian, it was always natural for me to read the Old Testament to see what God likes and do it. It also confirmed to me that Jesus is the prophesied Messiah. The founding Apostles did the same thing, they taught from the moral law because those were the only scriptures they had. So I really don’t understand why it’s a big deal now for Christians to follow the Torah, apart from the ordinances that are no longer necessary and have been nailed to Jesus’ cross.
    I noticed that when God rebuked Israel in some places, He didn’t list the ten commandments, He basically just told them to love one another, be honest, take care of the poor, etc. The beauty of Jesus’ teaching is that He taught the law from that perspective. Moses showed us what the law is, Jesus shows us what it means.

  • Doubtless, there is but one law for all, as you pointed out. Those who wish to keep the Law and are not Jews may well be the greater part of God’s Chosen and just as entitled to the Covenant as the Jews. The parable of the prodigal son, attributed to that famous righteous Jewish prophet and rabbi, Jesus/Yeshua, illustrates this clearly. I expect that parable to play out in the near future, as the Lost Tribes are lost in plain sight, being only spiritually “lost.” They are today’s Christians, an increasing number of whom have repented of squandering their rightful spiritual inheritance and turned to the Father for forgiveness. I’m waiting for this trickle to become a flood, reconciliation with the elder brother, and the celebratory feast.

    • Adrian Snow says:

      Who do you believe constitute the lost tribes?

      • daniel says:

        That seems impossible for anyone to say. Jonathan Burris and others are trying to i.d. some ‘lost’ tribes, but they are merely identifying some lost elements of Judah. DNA research can’t do it as there is no baseline for the yDNA necessary for those 10 northern lost tribes. Only God Almighty has that ability as we see in the book of Revelation where the 144,000 are selected and identified according to their ancestry. Also, the book of Revelation warns those who claim to be ‘Jews’ and who are not – which I have pondered for decades, with varying interpretation – but currently believe He’s referencing Replacement Theology.

        • Kitty Corbett says:

          If only Joseph’s bones would be used to yield DNA, then that would be the necessary marker for Ephraim, lead tribe of the Ten Lost Tribes, and Manasseh, his older brother. At least one other researcher (Yair Davidiy) claims to have traced the tribes to Western Europe and the Scandinavian areas, England, Ireland, Wales, etc. Yair claims that England, with its monarchy, is present day Ephraim, while the USA is Manasseh. More likely, Ephraim in prophecy likely means all of the lost tribes, acting as one in Israel’s military defense in the last days, per Zech. 9:13.

          • J.W. Brakebill says:

            Herbert Armstrong of the Worldwide Church of God, used to teach that the Hebrew word for covenant was, according to Professor James Strong, “berı̂yth,” (pronounced, ber-eeth,) sometimes spelled in English as berith,”‘) and “ish” was Hebrew for “man.”

            Combining the two one would get “beriythish.” Keeping in mind that Hebrew is a consonantal language, using vowel points, removing the vowels e & i from beriyth, and adding back tohe “i” in ish, one gets “brythish.”

            Pronounced together with “most” of the vowels, it is not too much a stretch of the imagination to get Brithish,” or “British” as meaning, “covenant man.” Possibility Nehemia?

          • daniel says:

            Yes, Kitty. I’ve been aware of this theory and there seems to be a lot of anectdotal evidence, but no proof. Bottom Line; it would be a Name of Shame IF those descendants do not return to YHVH and keep His commandments – whoever they are (Us or Them).

  • David says:

    Thank you Nehemiah. I believe in Yeshua but I am definitely not a catholic. I have been keeping Torah (not Talmud /Mishnah) for the last forty years all by myself because I believe that is what Yeshua teaches. It is so wonderful to hear there are others like me whom God has called in similar ways.

    • daniel says:

      Same here, David! We’ve been in the same boat (metaphorically) for decades and never knew it – must be a really big boat. Had my epiphany in 1981, and I remain the odd man of the family.

  • Dean Lindsey says:

    Nehemia, do you have insight as to when Yeshua’s followers met after he was crucified? Do you think they would have met on “Saturday” evening? “Sunday” morning? I’m interested in the culture of that period of history, but it is not easy to be sure. What would local synagogues have been like? As in, when would weekly gatherings have been held? Are there insights as to what those gatherings were like? Also, I’ve wodered if Yeshua’s followers would have maybe gone to the synagogue and then also met together elsewhere, separate from non-Yeshua Jews??? So many questions…..

    • Carlos Fernandez says:

      Met for what?

      • J.W. Brakebill says:

        The disciples of Yeshua, according to the Book of Acts, met, or were meeting because Yeshua had told them to, as they were to receive baptism of the Holy Spirit/KJ – Holy Ghost.

        Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
        Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
        Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
        Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
        Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

    • Deborah Shively says:

      Acts 20:7 clearly says that the church came together on the first day of the week which they called “The Eighth day.” The epistle of Barnabus, Paul’s traveling companion, was held in very high regard by the early Christians and was actually included in the canon for many years. It was found as part of the oldest manuscripts, Codex Sinaiticus and was cited by Jerome, Origen and many others.
      In his epistle Barnabus says, “Lastly, He saith unto them: your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot bear them” (Barnabus is quoting from Isaiah 58) – Consider what He means by it; the Sabbaths, says He, which ye now keep are not acceptable to Me, but those which I have made; when resting from all things I shall begin the eighth day, that is: the beginning of the other world for which cause we observe the eighth day with gladness, in which Jesus rose from the dead; and having manifested Himself to His disciples, ascended into heaven (The Epistle of Barnabus, Chapter 12: 9,10).
      The early church worshipped on Sunday to acknowledge the New Covenant and make a clear distinction between the Sabbath that God has chosen, the rest we have in Messiah Jesus which brings us rest and liberty from legalistic law keeping for our redemption. The eighth day is mentioned in Leviticus as a foreshadow of the rest to come. The eighth day was also a Sabbath. There were actually two Sabbaths observed during certain occasions- Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a Sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a Sabbath. Le 23:39

  • Shawn Richardson says:

    Nehemia, you mentioned the I Samuel 20 story where David states “tomorrow is the new moon” and that David had to have known in advance that this was true. I have to ask, though, why did David plan to be absent from the King’s meal for two nights in a row and not meet with Jonathan until the morning of the third day? If he knew in advance that the moon itself was certainly going to appear (because it was the end of the 30th day), why plan ahead of time to wait another night? Couldn’t David have been making a general reference to both planned meals with the King as being for the purposes of looking for the new moon over two nights (the end of the 29th and 30th)? Also, wouldn’t this parallel the timing of participating in an offertory fellowship meal – where any leftovers would have been destroyed by the morning of the third day?

    • The story is describing a peace offering eaten over a period of two days in a state of ritual purity. When he missed the first meal, the kind assumed he had a “nightly emission”. But when he missed the second day, Saul realized something was amiss. David knew Saul well enough to realize he would need a “second witness” to get suspicious. The peace offering was apparently in honor of the new moon.

      • Kenneth Richardson says:

        Thank you for confirming my theory. I’m curious if this was a tradition at the time of sighting the new moon – but we are not given any further examples. I also note David’s excuse was to tell the King that he was going to keep it with his family living outside of Jerusalem (albeit just a few miles away). Perhaps it was a tradition kept not just by King Saul. And, interestingly, the offering would be “good” for both nights of observation (at the end of 29th and 30th of the month).

  • Sandy Knudsvig says:

    Listening and learning/unlearning things as I listen to you, Nehemia, with Michael Rood. So much tov information! todah! I enjoy your presentations with him.

  • Linda Nadal says:

    If Strong’s concordance lexicon isn’t good, what would be better? I only speak English. Always enjoy hearing your insight, Nehemia!

    • J.W. Brakebill says:

      Isaiah 54:13, John 6:45, John 16:13. Luke 12:31 & 2 Timothy 2:15; Jeremiah 17:7, 5.

      Learn from God. Trust God to teach you and depend upon His Spirit to guide you into all truth, by listening to/contemplating words of JEWISH scholars with enormous in depth knowledge like Nehemia, instead of any so-called preacher man. Truly seek Him through self study, prayers, and learning from Jews, and He will not let you down.

      King David followed God’s teaching. Psalm 71:17. May also want to consider Jeremiah 50:6 coupled with Matthew 7:15. Matthew 24:5 may not be saying what preachers have taught congregations for centuries. “Many will come in My name, (preachers coming in Jesus’ name, saying, ‘I am He’ (Jesus is the Christ/Messiah,) and they will lead many astray. (with their false doctrines, many of which came from the Mother of Harlots, the Catholic Church. Christianity is her harlot daughters.) Last of all, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.

      Strong’s is mere a tool to help you find “some” truths

  • Harrald says:

    Thanks Nehemia for the valuable information on your website.
    In this part you mentioned the 12 regular “tax collectors” and the additional 13th one. Can you tell us a verse in Scriptures about this 13th collector and the 13th tax?

    Toda Raba

  • It’s shocking how the Rabbis have added and subtracted from the Torah with little trepidation. If the specific biblical calendar has been altered, what else has been tinkered with? Great study.

  • Concerning the Noahide laws; once I joined a forum on arutz sheva, called “Torah to the Nations”. I thought, “heeey, swell”, other torah keepers want to converse!. Then I learned that many of them considered it forbidden for non-jews to keep shabbath, and many other laws. It seemed that their common characteristic was bitterness against all things “christian”, i surmised because of abuse of some kind in the christian traditions. Conversing with the Noahides was the closest I ever came to experiencing the intense hatred that Yahshua experienced from the pharisees and chief priests, like wrestling with snakes. (Although not all shared the bitterness, some were sort of friendly)I would discourage anyone from joining the “noahides”.

  • Chris says:

    Who is considered to be a gentiles?

    • YHWH promised to Abraham that he would become a great Goy; is that something like a gentile?

    • Carlos Fernandez says:

      A gentile is anyone out of Covenant… Covenantless. No gentile can or will be saved as such. The New Yerushalaim in the book of Revelations has no door for gentiles, everybody entering must do so as an Yisraelite. Even a circumcised none TORA keeping Yew is not a real Yew but a gentile.

      • David Keith says:

        I believe that the technical definition of a gentile(goy) in the context of this discussion is any nation of people whose founding ancestor was not a direct descendant of Avraham-Yitzhak-Ya’acov.

        I also give a nod Walter Schwenk who rightfully noted that Avraham was identified as a goy.

        Finally I think it is prudent in the context of this discussion to note the admonishment of the Father to Am Yisrael numerous times in the Torah not to vex the stranger/ger, for you were strangers/sojourners in Mitsrayim.

        In other words, the descendants of Avraham, Yitzhak and Ya’acov were not raised up to be an elite class of spiritually superior humans looking down upon the lesser classes(goyim/nations), but rather were to function as the earthly light in the darkness that draws the goyim/nations to enter into covenant with Yehovah.

    • J.W. Brakebill says:

      In the New Testament, is it possible Nehemia, that many of the gentiles were actually part of the Lost Tribes of Israel? Were not Samaritans as “dogs” to the Jews and Jews basically had no dealings with Samaritans by the time of Yeshua?

  • Andreas Büchler says:

    I can agree that we should not trust in so called ‘Messianic Rabbis’, as follower of Yeshua we are not allowed to let us be called ‘Rabbi’, and if this is for some to hard to understand, there can not be great further wisdom.

    To serve as a better example, there could be a question to answer, that nobody seems to be able to: Jonathan Kahn connected the Sh’mitta Year to debt cancellation, what seems to refer to Deut 15:1-18. It seems that he, maybe out of rabbinic tradition, connects the ‘seventh year’ of Deut 15:1 to the Sh’mittah of Lev 25:1-7. I can’t find any connection from the one ‘seventh year’ to the other. But on the other side, what seventh year should it mean otherwise in Deut 15? Do you know any additional explains? Thanks.