Torah Pearls #2 – Noach (Genesis 6:9-11:32)

This episode of The Original Torah Pearls is on the Torah portion of Noach (6:9-11:32). The trio discusses the following questions and more: While Noah was a righteous man—relatively speaking—what spiritual disease was the rest of the world infected with?  Is doing what comes naturally the best answer for our bad selves? Does the post-flood diet really include the “all”-you-care-to eat buffet?  What was the sign of the curse and what is the sign of the covenant? When the whole earth spoke one language, what language was it? What are the implications of the 70 nations that sprung from Noah’s three sons? In closing, Gordon discusses the belief that Adam was a Talmudic scholar as well as other historical views concerning what we knew and when we knew it.

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25 thoughts on “Torah Pearls #2 – Noach (Genesis 6:9-11:32)

  1. I am motivated in my old age (81) to learn Hebrew for several reasons: First, to be able to understand TORAH without translation by others who may or obviously do have a contrary agenda (ex., “King James Version”); second, because I am convinced I am one of the Lost Tribes (probably Ephraim) and will therefore be ingathered to the modern state of Israel in these Last Days; and thirdly, because YHVH has said through the prophets that He would put a “clean tongue” in our mouths. The question is, do I study Biblical Hebrew, or conversational Hebrew? Apparently there is such a difference that I must choose one over the other. I will start with learning the Hebrew alphabet and sounds, but for the rest, how would you advise, Nehemia?

  2. If you read the Quiche Mayan book of creation, the Popul Vu, it refers to their fleeing from what looks to be the Tower of Babel. They describe a Nimrod figure there who demanded from them humans to sacrifice. He would be sacrificing them on the tower I presume.

      • Yes, Ham probably had sex with Noah’s wife (not Ham’s mother) who it turns out had Nephilim genes since that act resulted in Canaan from whom came all the post flood Nephilim.

        • Can you give your source for Canaan being the father of all the post flood Nephilim? I have searched the scriptures and find nothing on their geneology. Anaq is OF the Nephilim, and son of Arba. Arba’s geneology is not given.

  3. As far as the sexual act, “seeing his father’s nakedness” is having sex with Noah’s wife but this woman is not his mother. Had it been his mother, Ham would have “seen his mother’s nakedness”. Leviticus does not describe “seeing his father’s nakedness” as a homosexual act. It describes it as having sex with his father’s wife.

    • I don’t understand? Noah only brought one wife (eight people on the ark) so what other woman could this have been? If Ham had sex with his mother rather than his father, and produced a child – Canaan, this might explain why Noah cursed Canaan instead of cursing Ham? I’ve always wondered about this? This would mean that Noah waited at least nine months to make this curse?

      • only one wife….but a new one…not the mother of the boys and I have no idea when/why this would have happened. I’m just speculating based on the terminology. “Seeing his father’s nakedness” is having sex with a father’s wife. “Seeing his mother’s nakedness” is having sex with his mother. Therefore the mother is not the father’s wife.

  4. Perhaps there is a command to eat only food that can be “stored” while on the ark (Gen 6) and after the flood, eating meat from clean animals (oklah) is permitted once again. IOW, this is not about identifying the vegetarian diet before the ark and the meat eating diet after the ark. It’s about specifically what is to be eaten while on the ark.
    I think a case could be made that the sacrificial system was not about feeding YHVH but about offering to Him and partaking in that offering by taking in or consuming the flesh. Therefore the 1000 years of sacrificing before the flood as Cain/Abel were obviously instructed to do and we assume others as well, would not just be about slaughtering animals and throwing away the meat but instead about consuming or taking part (eating the flesh) of that which is offered up.
    On the ark, this would or should not be done since there is no altar. And what would happen to the 2 pairs of clean animals if they were supposed to eat their meat? And how would that meat be “stored”?
    Perhaps YHVH is saying in chapter 9 that “NOW” you can eat meat (oklah) again after leaving the ark.

    • The idea that eating meat was permitted “once again”, and not for the first time makes Gen. 9:3 meaningless: “Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.” By “green herb”, Yehovah is referring back to Gen 1:29 “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.” This verse says nothing about eating animals, only herbs.

  5. It became a necessity to have YeHoVaH’s Word be written by Moses in the Hebrew language to preserve the integrity of His Word due to the curse of the Tower of Babel were at the time the language was confused. Israel carries a very big responsibility to break their silence to spread the truth to the public about The Word of YeHoVaH.

  6. If there is a majestic plural in the Hebrew language then what we can understand in Genesis 3:24 where “the cherubim” was mentioned who was placed on the east of the Garden of Eden. The hidden clue to break the mystery is in this passage the time YeHoVaH gave to humanity His Law and His Spirit in the form of The Flaming Sword that guards the way to the Tree of Life. In this passage there is a hint that there were two entities: YeHoVaH sent His Son/The Flaming Sword to help humanity to return to the Tree of Life and YeHoVaH placed Satan to the tree of knowledge of good and evil/seat that he used to deceive Eve for the final fulfillment of the prophecy in Ezekiel when Yeshua HaMashiach’s feet will split the Mount of Olives: He will crush your head and you Satan will bruise His heel. The missing part of the puzzle that help us understand the 13 attributes of YeHoVaH is in this passage if we seek the truth.

  7. One More thing was wondering Perhaps Ham was thinking he was taking the opportunity to obey Gods commandment bereshit 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth Could this be the reason he told his brothers outside thinking they could follow suit but obviously his brothers knew the folly of his actions 9:22 Ham the father of canaan,saw his father’s nakedness and told his two brothers outside This thought came to me too that the scripts are
    about geneology aren’t they? ps 119:18 Todah YHWH our Rav shalom shalom debarah

  8. yohm tov achi shalom shalom
    thank you YHWH for putting a love for his knowledge in you In regards to Ham taking advantage of his fathers nakedness: A man once brought the verse Lev 18:8 concerning what his fathers nakedness was and after hearing Nehemia’s comment on the matter looked up and found these other verses Lev 20:11 and Deut 27:20 Please consider also how many times in this passage Ham is referred to as fathering Canaan (9:18;22 and 25)25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

    26 And he said, Blessed be YHWH God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

    27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.) In verse 25 Canaan is cursed by Noah and is said to be his brothers slave Wonder why Noah curse Ham’s son Canaan and not Ham?
    In loo of these verses it does seem to be referring to Canaan as Shem and Japheth’s brother Do appreciate your not wanting to take things out of context Nehemia and the admonition to keep reading Keith berechah shalom shalom

  9. Paraphrasing Lev. 18:8 Do not have sex with the wife of your father, for it is your father’s nakedness.

    Is it possible the reason Canaan was cursed is because he was the product of Ham’s union with “Noah’s nakedness” i.e. Noah’s wife?

  10. RE the discussion around 40min.
    Why do scholars today, take Bart Ehrman for example, insist that the language of Yeshua’s day was Aramaic? I could imagine Aramaic being used in Galilee as a second language, and it seems as though Greek was spoken on the border of the Decapolis (John12:20-22), yet Luke’s is at some pains in Acts to point out that Yeshua apparently spoke Hebrew to Saul/Paul (Acts26:14) and writes of three languages being written above the crucifixion site at Golgotha (Luke23:38); Greek, Latin and Hebrew. What gives?

    Further to the matter of language, we have this obscure word, Nephilim here in Genesis6:4. How does H5303, Nephil (sg.) relate to the Greek word, Nephele, G3507, The Cloud Of God, or cloud?

  11. Nehemia,
    I listened to this portion today, you said that Exodus 21 is another example of majestic plurality. I assume the pertinent periscope is Ex 21:28-32 but what am I missing? It sure doesn’t look plural to me:
    ואם שור נגח הוא מתמל שלשם והועד בבעליו ולא ישמרנו והמית איש או אשה השור יסקל וגם־בעליו יומת׃

    • The word translated as “owner” is be’alav, which is appears twice and both times is a majestic plural. The literal translation would be “his owners.” Be’alav is a combination of be’alim + o = be’alav. The -im is there, but it’s obscured by the contraction with the possessive suffix. Other examples in Exodus 21 of majestic plural are in verse 6 (adonav = odonim + o = his master), verse 8 (adoneha = adonim + ah = her master), verse 32 (adonav = his master), and verse 34 (be’alav = his owner).

  12. personally I belive the ark is on MT Arrarat. for one reason God is long suffering and has no desire to punnish even the most rebellious of His creation. so evidance is scattered every where throught the universe declareing His word ;wether you say Bible or Torah, God’s love will allways make it harder to dissbelive than to acknowlage Him as the First and The Last; giving us more opertunity for grace than Justice. If Ireceived justice for my deeds hope is lost; but if I say ,” not my will but Thine,” the leval of hope and freedom can not be contained. My finite being is overwhelmed with The Name YHVH.

    • Mt.Ararat is a shield volcano that would have formed after the flood. The ark is supposedly on a ledge at 14,000 feet. According to Genesis the water was only 45 feet above the mountains. None of the mountain ranges were pushed up until after the flood. The water was simply not 14,000 feet deep, only a few hundred.

  13. This has blessed me If i train my thoughts I can “walk with God” I have found grace because The Torah God’s word makes sense to me. Not everyone has received this gift. A man is not innocent because he is not aware of sin but seeking humillity will reveal sin fulness, and provide a path to God’s name; and recreate man in the image of God.

  14. I have an issue with the traditional interpretation of Bereshit concerning the order of commandments, as Jono [?] seems to mention. Christians maintain that God said firstly to procreate. Yet in Gen. 2:15, Adam is alone and he is commanded to tend the garden. Surely this is the First Commandment and the one which has truly been most ignored. Now the NWO agenda is pushing this as a means to an end, as esoterically shown in the recent movie “Noah”.

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