Hebrew Voices #37 – How the New Testament Interprets the Tanakh (Rebroadcast)

In this episode of Hebrew Voices, How the New Testament Interprets the Tanakh, Nehemia Gordon discusses with Methodist Pastor A.J. Bernard, whether Old Testament prophecies have been fulfilled in the New Testament.

Seydel wrote: “This teaching was fantastic…I really loved hearing the two perspectives. I believe these kinds of discussions are so important because they help us to see Scripture from another point of view. Hopefully this will lead to respect and love for our fellow believers in Yehovah. Thank you so much for this wonderful teaching. It truly was a blessing to me.”

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Verses:
Hosea 11:1
Matthew 2:14-15
1 Kings 13:1
2 Kings 23:15
Daniel 9:1-2
Isaiah 53
Luke 24
Psalm 119:18
Amos 3:7

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110 thoughts on “Hebrew Voices #37 – How the New Testament Interprets the Tanakh (Rebroadcast)

  1. I too have had a spiritual experience that made it clear that the New Testament is also part of the Word of GOD. The 12 disciples on Pentecost also had a spiritual experience so did the people that were pricked in there heart , also Saul on his way to Damascus maybe the question is what Christian hasn’t. As a side issue, I do not accept the trinity as truth and am not a jw. and can teach both points of view but only accept only one.
    Is it possible it is that we can only see when we believe, after all there are many non practicing Jews that don’t even believe the Old Testament, to say nothing about the unbelievers.
    So what causes believing.

  2. Nehemia, I read a lot of your material. And I really love your knowledge and explanation about the things you’ve discovered. I’m only curious what the difference is between your findings and what Jehovah Witnesses teach.
    Cause I see a lot of similarities. Have you ever discussed material with them and what are the differences between what you discover and what they teach?

    They teach the name of God Yehovah since the late 19 century. And they don’t teach trinity either. They preach over the whole world, cause Jezus (Yehoshua) told his disciples to make disciples of all man. (Matthew 28:19,20) And teach people about his kingdom. “And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14)

    As mentioned, I love your work, and especially your hard work to teach others about Yehovah. But I’m very curious about what you think of Jehovah Witnesses and what they teach (just because it similar in so many ways).

  3. Great study – The ‘Christian’ concept Nehemia touched on “The Law nailed to the Cross”, so the law is abrogated – Yeshua and the Sabbath- Matthew 12:8 Consider – If one is Lord of the manor, does that abrogate the manor ? If Yeshua is Lord of the Sabbath, does that abrogate the Sabbath ?

  4. Luke 24 changed my life. I had the privilege to hear Nehemiah speak in person in houston/Katy Texas about Pesher. You made us promise to read Luke 24 “road to Ammaus”, I read it that night as promised, and I have made it my personal mission to find as much scriptures about Yeshua in the Tenach. These are just a few. Gen1:3 Then God said “let their be light”; and their was light. (1st day) Gen.1:14 then God said let their be lights/luminaries in the expanse… (4th day) Question: What or Who was that light on the first day? I believe this answers it. John 1:2-5 he was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him and apart from Him nothing came into being that has came into being. In Him was life and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overpower it. Psalms 72:17 His name endure forever, His name was their before the SUN and men shall be blessed… still looking for Jesus in the Tenach. Question: who was speaking in the burning bush? Exodus 3:2 the Angel of the Lord appeared to him… vs4 when YHVH saw that he turned aside to look YHVH called to him from the midst of the bush… Who is this Angel that is speaking? Judges 2:1 Now the angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim and said,” I brought you out of Egypt and led you into the land which I have sworn to your fathers…[again angel] Gen.48:15-16 vs16 The angel who has redeemed me from all evil bless the lads;… [what angel can redeem?] I will stop hear because i can on, this can be pretty lengthy, but after reading Luke 24 it changed me. I enjoy your teaching as always, hoping to get your perspective on these few scriptures in search to find that sermon Jesus taught vs.44″… all the things which are written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms…” Shalom!

  5. Nehemia:

    That was wonderful. You taught me a lot. I enjoyed hearing about your thesis and all your points.

    I disagree with the interpretation of the “Trinity” though. I believe the “Trinity” doctrine came from the Catholic church. Three persons in one. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. I believe this is false.

    Here’s what I believe from Scripture. Yeshua was accused by the Pharisees of having a demon. He admonished them that to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit is unforgivable in this world and the next. Because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. Matt 12:32

    Remember Yeshua was baptised by John the Baptist overseen by the his Father and bestowed with the Holy Spirit. So he was doing miracles on the strength of the Holy Spirit.

    Yeshua prayed to his Father to send another comforter, that he may abide with the apostles forever. This “comforter” is the Spirit of Truth. Remember, Yeshua is the Truth. John 14:16-18 Yeshua said the “Comforter” is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in MY Name and will teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, (what he taught his diciples) whatsoever I have said to you. I will not leave you comfortless. I will come to you. John 14:18 He had to go away in order for the Comforter to take over. That Comforter was the same Spirit as himself and his Father. And the Comforter would only know what Yeshua and his Father would tell him. So it doesn’t sound like the Holy Spirit was on his own but functioning through God the Father and the Son.

    So the Comforter/Holy Spirit is not a separate entity but the spirit that is sent by Yeshua and God the Father. If the Holy Spirit was a separate entity he would be credited with being God. He is not.

    Proof: Ex. Luke 1:34-35 Gabriel tells Mary she’ll have child. She doesn’t understand how that can be done. Gabriel tells her the Holy Spirit shall come upon you and the POWER OF THE HIGHEST SHALL OVERSHADOW YOU. Therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God.

    Very enjoyable Nehemia. Thank you.

  6. Yeshua contradicted OT prophesies, the followers of Yeshua called the apostles or disciples, contradict OT prophesies. The resurrection stories in all 4 gospels contradict each other, the time frame of his death contradict each other, Yeshua told his disciples he would return in their time, Revelations says behold I come quickly & its been over 200yrs now. What more proof do we need?

    My answer is this! Trust ADONAI keep TORAH & wait for the TRUE DELIVERANCE which Hashem promised by the Nevi’im(Prophets) Shalom!

  7. Ecclesiastes 1:9
    New King James Version (NKJV)

    That which has been is what will be,
    That which is done is what will be done,
    And there is nothing new under the sun.

    Just as Yeshua became the Passover Lamb delivering all who believe in HIM from the Angle of Death through sin just as the original lamb delivered Israel from the original Angle of Death in Egypt, what is recorded in ancient days in Yahovah’s dealing with Israel has all been fulfilled in Messiah. This was Yahovah’s plan from the beginning when HE introduced HIS plan for salvation through the coming Messiah

    Genesis 3:15
    New King James Version (NKJV)

    And I will put enmity
    Between you and the woman,
    And between your seed and her Seed;
    He shall bruise your head,
    And you shall bruise His heel.”

    Although this passage was to dealing with the fall of man in the garden, we all recognize it for what it is – the promise of the Messiah.

  8. How about this as an example of “finding” history in the prophets: concerning 9-11 & the twin towers… “Oh how the towers have fallen, but we will rebuild.” Isa. 9:10
    The question though is, Does ones’ experience validate their interpretation of scripture? or does Pesher still have to stand up to contextual analysis?

  9. After hearing your good Hebrew Voice message, this question came to mind which I have been pondering about all week long. It is in regards to the connection between John 5:46 (where Yeshua says that Moses wrote about him) and in Exodus 23:20-22 (where Yehovah will send a messenger carrying His title). Here is the Ancient Hebrew translation of Ex. 23:20-22 AHRC-RMT “look, I am sending a messenger you to safeguard you in the road, and to [bring] you to the area which I prepared, (21) be safeguarded from his face, and hear his voice, you will not [provoke] him, given that he will not lift up your transgression, given that my title is within him, (22) you will :surely: hear his voice, and you will do all which I will speak, (then) I will attack your attackers, and I will smack your oppressors,”

  10. Interesting topic, thank you for raising the issue.

    It does become apparent that honesty has to be the number one priority when dealing with the word of God, as has been pointed out so eloquently.

    The trouble is , we humans come with different barrages or different backgrounds which often clouds our views and understandings.
    Peaceful discussions are definitely the way forward. Thank you both for demonstrating that this can be done!

    No one can possibly have all the answers.
    At the end of it all, it is still a matter of faith, which is personal, and should be build on right and honest foundation’s.

    I should say, this is the reason we discuss here..thank you!

  11. Thank you, Nehemiah and Pastor Bernard. That was an engaging and enjoyable discussion. It reminded me of your closing comment after speaking to the Raellian. Shalom

  12. Our knowledge of good and evil is always threatened by our inclination to rationalize them. Rationalization is the cleverest of creatures, often subtlety leading us away from God’s law. We know about justifying evil. But justifying good? We enhance, amplify, augment and build fences to protect scripture in the name of piety and the search for meaning and resolution. Great study.

  13. In Yohanan 6 : 44 it says No one can come to me unless YHWH draws him to Yahushua .
    YHVH deals each person separately and this Revelation comes at different times to different people .
    In 1974 I was an atheist and a leftist but then Yahushua was a leftist as he went to the temple with whip cord and overthrew business . In those days I had told people that if Yahshua comes in our days He would come with an AK 47 to destroy captilism .
    Six years later due to a parapsychological experience I became a believer of Yahushua.
    Three years back I came to the realisation that keeping the commandments is as essential as believing in Yahushua .
    But these realisations are the grace of YHVH : we have to pray that others have the same realisation but need not condemn anybody for not having them .

  14. Amen & Amen
    .
    We are TAUGHT to see.
    We are TRAINED to perceive.
    Therefore we can only perceive what we have been taught!
    .
    PS 95:6 Come, let us worship and bow down,
    Let us kneel before the LORD our Maker.
    7 For He is our God, And we are the people of His pasture
    and the sheep of His hand. Today, if you would hear His voice,
    8 Do not harden your hearts, as at Meribah,
    As in the day of Massah in the wilderness,
    9 “When your fathers tested Me, They tried Me, though they had seen My work.
    10 “For forty years I loathed [that] generation,
    And said they are a people who ERR IN THEIR HEART (uncircumcised),
    And they do NOT KNOW My ways.
    11 “Therefore I swore in My anger,
    Truly they shall not enter into My rest.”
    .
    The phrases that reminds me constantly when I read the Torah is:
    If you will do, If you will obey, I you will know my ways….
    .
    Some Replace His Words for their own,
    Some Remove His Word for their own,
    Some will READ His Word on their own!
    .
    Shalom

  15. Here is what I posted to th about this:

    This is such a great program! You’ll learn a lot about how redundant it is to try to convince anyone to believe your gospel! It is Yah who draws His people to Him, not us humans!

  16. At about the 29 minute mark, the question is asked if the term “Israel” in Hosea 11:1 could refer to a figure head. I had a similar question — often I see prophecies refer to “Judah” and “Israel” separately, but in the same verses. For example:

    Psa 22:23
    You who fear the LORD, praise Him; All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him, And stand in awe of Him, all you descendants of Israel.

    Jer 31:31
    “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
    32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD.
    33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

    Is it possible that when the Bible talks about “Jacob” or “Judah” it is talking about those who are physically, ethnically Jewish, and when it talks about “Israel” it is talking about those who are of the same faith in the gospel as Abraham – the Christians?

    • Ben Guptill, please read and meditate on Gal 6:16. It is the only verse in all of Scripture that contains that peculiar phrase at the end. Perhaps that will answer your question?

      Yara shalam

  17. Thank you so much! It seems like the Jews are removing the false teaching just as the believers in Yeshua are removing false teachings. It’s time we get all cleaned up and I think we will be embracing each other. I so appreciate the knowledge of the life and history of the Jewish perspective. The Christian church has left so much out of Yahova’s truths…it’s had to even find the meat under all that fluff and lies.

    • Darlene DeSilva, you say “it’s ha(r)d to even find the meat under all that fluff and lies.”. Yes, the Word of our Creator has been covered over by layer upon layer of tortuously twisted perversions. As was written in Jer 8:8, so it was done and continued to be done after our Deliverer ascended. But, the Word of our Creator is being restored uncut stone by uncut stone.

  18. Nehemiah, I appreciate your honesty and sincerity. I want to address those that believe in Yshua to look at Romans 9:6 “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel”, this passage uses both the plural form and singular form of Israel that is to say the nation ” plural” of Israel to the later part of the verse that states, ” which are of Israel” now using the more singular form and real definition of the word Israel, meaning prince or princes with God, Isra being Hebrew root, sar or sarah “prince” with el, eloheem, God. Further Jacob was a singular entity later called Israel “prince with God” and by no means is it a stretch or a break of continuity of scriptures to see Israel as singular or plural, on the contrary the Bible uses both forms readily.

    Shalom Alechem!

  19. Thanks Guys for the special edition! Something must be said about Matthew quoting Hosea which neither one of you addressed, “When Isarael was a child I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son”, the Peshat in Matthew is exactly this when looking at the word meaning of Israel, Isra= (Hebrew Sarah) a prince or leader of El= God; the the literal obvious interpretation of this singular verse is talking about a person not a nation. In Matthew it says this was the fulfillment of this passage where Israel was the start and the Messiah is the end or fulfillment of this passage. It is the same with all the Moedim they are all rehearsals with a beginning and an ending fulfillment such as Yshua being our Passover Lamb, Waving of Firstfrits, Unleavened Bread and Shavuot.. have fulfillment with Messiah just as Fall festival rehearsals will be. Shalom Alechem!

  20. Proverbs 27:17 …. 17Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another. 18He who tends the fig tree will eat its fruit, And he who cares for his master will be honored.… This is a great discussion! I always gain not only knowledge but wisdom when listening to how Scripture is discussed. I love your approach and consideration when bringing New Testament to light. Thank you Nehemia.

  21. Shabbat shallom

    Thanks be to YHWH for leading me to Micheal Rood and you for you both have openabled me to understand scripture and the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven . Todays message showed me that unless Yohanan 6 : 44 is experienced everything else becomes irrelvant.
    Thanks May YHWH bless

  22. Shabbat shalom aleichem from Israel! This was a true midrash seeking Yehovah’s words of truth. I would truly enjoy hearing more of Nehemia and A.J. Bernard doing midrashic teaching! Nehemia has proven over the years of staying grounded in Scripture and not swayed by traditional interpretations, It sounds as though A.J. Bernard is also grounded in this manner as per his traditions. When we, as brothers, can come together to seek Yehovah’s face; His truths and ways, it blesses Him and testifies of Him to others, fulfilling His purpose for our lives being His!! 🙂

  23. What a wonderful broadcast! Psalm 78:1-2 comes to mind. If YeHovah doesn’t reveal anything to us, we will NEVER see it! Revelation is his alone to give, not man’s. I don’t believe he gives his pearls to pigs either, because pigs don’t know hat to do with pearls!

  24. Please have A.J. Bernard back often. I enjoyed the serious, informative discussion, covering things I’ve never even thought about.

  25. We enjoyed this teaching for three reasons: it was a nice ‘change’ from the usual PP presentations; you and AJ didn’t speak over each other as often happens with you and Keith; and it presented some unique perspectives on these passages. YES, have AJ back. Wow…I can’t believe he is a Methodist pastor!

    • You are very kind. =) Thank you! I have a considerable amount of respect for both Nehemia and Keith, and it was quite an honor to be included in Prophet Pearls!

      Like Nehemia, the Karaite, and Keith (who is also a Methodist) I want to find Truth. There is truth expressed through the Christian church, but there is also error, and my allegiance is to the God of Israel, rather than to a church or a sect. Nehemia and Keith are the same way, and they attract to themselves people who also desire Truth and a relationship with Yehovah! Shalom!

  26. Great listening to this explanation of First Century Biblical Interpretation. I knew all about Pardes and how some of the “prophecies” that are quoted by Christian missionaries came about. I sought this answer last year when I was researching Christian beliefs in an attempt to discern if what was being spoken of in the New Testament was truth.

    It’s also nice to hear from a Jew, how the Rabbinical Jews cannot be consistent in their interpretations and objections to the New Testament. Everytime I talk with anyone Jewish and they start talking about Jesus (and it’s always them that brings it up for some reason), and I challenge them to be consistent in the way they read the Old Testament and apply that same consistency to the New Testament, they cannot do it.

    To me it is simple, and a fact. If you cannot be consistent and have to use special pleading to support your position, and won’t do it for your opposition, then you’ve already lost the argument.

    Thanks Nehemia for what you do, and thanks for talking about these topics and trying to bring Jews and Christians together in understanding, for it is something that we sorely lack in this world.

  27. As always it was interesting and I like it. I will be listening to it a couple of more times because you can never get everything in one shot. Thank you

  28. We will add our Amen’s to the long list of accolades for this teaching. It is good to hear questions honestly answered and discussed with out the “left foot of fellowship” being applied to the questioner’s behind or being accused of rebellion against the authority of ……..(you fill in the blank). MORE, MORE, MORE like this as we struggle to “perfect, or grow up” our salvation with fear and trembling. Moving on down the smorgasbord of the word from milk to meat!

    Thank you Nehemia and Pastor Bernard for your honesty and open dialogue.

  29. The two men on the road were not shouting for joy because they didn’t believe what Yeshua had said to them, that He would rise on the third day. Re: the women whom they also didn’t believe: One woman having a vision is a spiritual experience. Two women having the same vision is a witness.

  30. Fantastic show! Thanks Nehemiah! You helped me understand something that was actually right in front of me but you put it into words for me. The explanation of the passage in Luke just clicked for me. I have been told many times I can’t possibly understand because I don’t have Jesus and first I must believe in Jesus and then the Holy Spirit will enlighten me.
    p.s. Hope you pass thru Tennessee again sometime soon, we’d love to see you again!

  31. Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your time. Funny, I had actually read this article from this link before. The word in the title drew me because it is the nickname for my husband when I am angry with him. Let’s just say he married his match.

    I am not a Christian, I am not a Jew. However, my first love is Yehovah and keeping the terms of his covenant. My people are your people and my God is your God.

    The good book as I re read my post (with slight embarrassment now) should be the Tanach. I tell my children that Yehovah does not require belief to make him real, he requires faithfulness. Anything that requires belief to make it real, isn’t real. So my journey continues.

    May Yehovah continue to bless you in your way to do his will.

      • I do not think we can blame the Greeks for the feelings part in the understanding of “belief”. It is human nature. Didn’t Isaiah speak about people worshiping their gods and their gods were no more than stone and wood. What about Nimrod and the paganism movement? It makes us come to a decision in our lives. I praise Yehovah for his wisdom in letting us explore these concepts. Does Yehovah really need to know if we are going to be loyal to him? No. He knows everything. He created everything. The Good , Bad and Ugly. Every potential choice we could make, he knows it. Perhaps, it is us who need to know if we will be loyal to Yehovah and if not, then make changes so that we are.

        • Thank you Yvonne

          Its seems the Christians are over emotional to the point of reckless abandonment and the Jews are void of emotion almost stoic, ice cold. I have been in prayer, overcome with emotion from the reality that Yehovah, in all His greatness and justice, would actually care to hear my prayers, consider my situations or answer my prayers in ways I never humanly expected or even asked. David was overcome with emotion, as well as Abraham, Jacob, Moses and let’s not forget the “Weeping Prophet” Jeremiah. Yehovah, while creating us, obviously created emotion, how we chose to follow those emotions is our responsibility. Anger, love, hate, jealousy, fear, joy, grief, etc all have two paths, one of righteousness and one of destruction. If we are humble and repentant, we can overcome our destructive choices, make things right to those we’ve hurt and return to Yehovah, what an emotional journey for all involved. When I realized, as a christian, things were not lining up, what I was being told from the pulpit was not lining up with what Yehovah already said in the bible, now the Torah for me. I remember being so disillusioned and angry that I had been lied to and worse that I believed it. I cried out to Him and asked Him to forgive me, to teach me the truth and expose even my own experiences if they were false. He has been very generous considering my reluctance to let go of some things without actual proof because my information was tainted by so called Torah teachers of the Hebrew roots or messianic movements. He is real, His word and commands are unchangeable and life. I love Him with all my heart and He is my greatest teacher or I wouldn’t be on this path today. Sorry, but again, emotions are good, its how we choose to follow them is the question we need to answer.

  32. Nehemia, Is there a good book that you can recommend that defines from a scriptural based view as to why you say Yeshua is not the Messiah? I just want the facts. I was in a church for 30 years that required belief and trusting my leaders and not using intellectual reasoning or even the scriptures themselves. I am not willing to go down a path based on “feelings” any more. The only leap, I am willing to make is that Torah is from Yehovah because of physical exterior experiences that I can not explain nor the witnesses with me other than it was Yehovah’s hand. This then leads me to this point. If someone contradicts the Torah and tells me to follow after other God’s even if they work exterior miracles, then I know they are not from Yehovah but if they do not contradict Torah and do not lead me away from Yehovah, then I feel obligated to listen to what they say. I need to know if Yeshua is who he claims with his own words (not Paul’s assumptions, early church fathers or even what my parents say but from scripture) because if Yeshua is who he claims, then Yehovah will not be pleased with me if I choose to turn away from his servant. Can you help?

  33. That was awesome! Yes! Both sides are missing the point and is so very obvious that Nehemia and pastor Bernard desire to aid in reducing the gap. I continue praying for eyes to see and ears to hear for myself and all those seeking.

    Thanks so much for sharing!!!

    “Deal bountifully with Your servant, That I may live and keep Your word. Open my eyes, that I may behold Wonderful things from Your law.”
    ‭‭Psalms‬ ‭119:17-18‬

  34. Great discussion, I loved it.

    I grew up a Saturday going Christian. After stepping away from church, eventually I started going back to church on Sunday. To make a long story short, I didn’t do that for long, and came to the basic statement that, if the Greek writing is true, if Yashua is the Messiah Isra’el has been waiting for, I will see it in the Hebrew text.

    Well, today, I can only see that the Christian doctrine, and the Greek text, twists meanings compounded by taking things out of context.

    HOWEVER, this discussion opened up, not that I think that Christianity is correct and that I only need Yashua to reveal it to me, but that the gospel writers were taking a common practice and in telling the story they had, went back and said, “we have found that here”.

    So in other words, being concerned that the gospel writings were written for malice, they could have been written with good intention in the practice of trying to support the believe in a very important event in those living in Yashua’s time.

    I hope that makes sense.

  35. This teaching was fantastic…I really loved hearing the two perspectives. I believe these kinds of discussions are so important because they help us to see Scripture from another point of view. Hopefully this will lead to respect and love for our fellow believers in Yehovah. Thank you so much for this wonderful teaching. It truly was a blessing to me.

    • Thank you so much! It is important to remember that even though Nehemia and I disagree on some things, that we both desire to be servants of Yehovah, and that we can come to the table with that common ground between us and have wonderful edifying discussions like this one. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is when brothers dwell together in unity!

  36. Let’s look at this another way. As a believer I want truth and truth can be proven through context not just a bunch of goose bumps or dreams. First, as I asked Yahovah to please teach me the truth, destroy false notions, experiences or whatever has kept me from His truth. My eyes were opened, Torah came to life for me, truth began to come of who He is and how to truly worship Him. My eyes were opened to the commands of Yehovah and I have never felt more free.
    Here is something I can not reconcile with the christian beliefs I once held. Yahovah said, “I, only I, am God and there is no other.” How can Yahovah, who is not a god that can die nor a son of man that will wither, be killed on a cross or anything else? I do see Yeshua as a messiah like Moses, a chosen one, to save his people. To save I’m referring to leading them back to their Creator and Father, Yahovah. Teaching them the difference between mixing and the true worship through obedience to Yahovah. I can not wipe out what Yahovah said to make something else fit anymore. I hear a lot of side swiping the so card elephant in the room.
    Since studying Torah, I have been blown away by how blind I was when the truth was right in front of me, all because I couldn’t make God fit into what I thought was truth all my life.
    Where, in the Tanach or Torah does it say the Messiah, the one who will restore all things forever, will die, have to die and when he comes again, that will happen…other than the New Testament? The way I see it, the New Testament has to fit in the Torah or it has to be thrown out, not in its entirty, but those passages that change Torah. Yahovah was here before it all and He laid it all out.
    We were told not to worship anyone or anything else but Yahovah alone, and yet today Yeshua is worshiped, given the title of God and creator, yet Yeshua never wanted to be worshiped or even have His name held above that of Yahovah. I just don’t understand how we can reconcile any of that.

    • I Totally agree.
      The woman from Palestine, Texas should look in the
      mirror and ask herself “What is it going to take for me
      to wake up and realize that I am among the gentiles
      who have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein
      there is no profit.” as referenced in Ezekiel 16:19
      making gods unto themselves that are not gods.

      If someone is going to base their relationship with God
      on a “spiritual expierence” (1 Samuel 10:6-12.) just
      keep in mind that the other Saul (King Saul) also had
      a spiritual expierence and look how that turned out.

      • Something to think about regarding
        Ezekiel 16:19
        “Yehovah, my strength and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of distress, unto thee shall the nations come from the ends of the earth, and they shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited falsehood [and] vanity; and in these things there is no profit.

        The Hebrew word for “distress” is “Tsarah” and can be translated as “rival wife”. Yehovah refers to Israel as His “wife”, whereas the new testament refers to Christians as the “bride” of Christ. Which is the true wife?

    • You just expressed very similar thoughts to what I did when I tried to explain to my family why I was not joining them in church anymore.

      I came across a very interesting copy of the new testament called the Jewish Annotated new testament. It’s basically the NIV version but all the comments and thoughts are from Jews. Jill Levine is one but I can’t remember without my book in hand the name of the other. It wasn’t intended to be anything anti but rather its intro says it’s intention is to encourage both Christians and jews to look at it in a new way. Christians: to see it through Jewish eyes and knowledge of the time period. Jews: to see it for its historical value, and perhaps to understand Christians a little better.

      What it did for me was to make sense out of some portions such as why on earth Matthew chopped off four names from the geneology, which 1 chron ch 1-3 clearly lists? The commentary was that he was attempting to make a point through Jewish numerology, by which the names were organized into 3 groups of 14 generations. 14 being a number for King David through the numerical values of the three letters dalet, vav, dalet. The only thing is Matthew made an error and the three groups he says are 14+14+14 =42 is, when you count them, actually 14+14+13=41. I haven’t learned more about the value of numbers with the Hebrew alphabet but I’m sure 42 has something Matthew was trying to express as well. But before I learned this it didn’t make any sense to me why he did that with the names.

      Over all I agree with you. Torah comes to life when you read it as its meant to be read. I cannot reconcile the modern Christian faith with what I’m seeing in tanach. But I’ve also wondered if what we have now hasn’t been changed from what it was when it began. I see no evidence that the disciples thought Jesus was God. He never said he was, but what he said could have been a declaration that he is an emissary of God. Son of God has been used in several places, in reference to Solomon, the angels, etc. Just as elohim means God pluralized but it also means judges who represent Torah law which is God’s law, Jesus most likely meant he’s speaking with God’s permission and blessing. And gentiles who didn’t know better misunderstood it just as in one portion of the NT they nearly mistook Paul and his companion for God’s and attempted to offer sacrifices for them until he tore his clothes in frustration and straightened them out. I see a long history of misunderstandings because people have not read the words the way they were meant to be read, but instead read them through their own way of looking at things.

      • There is one God – YHVH. And Jesus is not God. Jesus’s spirit is divine – just as Adam’s spirit/breath was divine. The concept of the trinity has made Christianity a “Samaritan” religion.

        • I agree with you Charles. Jesus is not YHVH. He is YHVH’s firstborn, his first creation, through whom he created all things. Jesus left his heavenly home, took the form of a man and walked among us not to do his own will, but the will of YHVH who sent him.

          • This is one of many places that Christianity differs from the Torah and the rest of the Tanakh, Yehovah (יְהֹוָה) clearly points out that Israel (יִשְׂרָאֵל – the people) is his firstborn.

            Exodus 4:22-23 (NASB) Please note that I added the Hebrew (where it actually appears in the original Hebrew).

            22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord (יְהֹוָה), “Israel (יִשְׂרָאֵל) is My son, My firstborn. 23 So I said to you, ‘Let My son go that he may serve Me’; but you have refused to let him go. Behold, I will kill your son, your firstborn.”’”

            When I was Christian, I found myself retro fitting the New Testament into the Old Testament. I put on my Yeshua glasses and looked back into the scriptures.

            However, something interesting happened along the way, I took off the glasses and read the scriptures in context, without trying to fit anyone into the pieces or expecting to see any particular figure or doctrine or theology in place.

            It was the most liberating experience. This is where I can now see that everything is about Yehovah (יְהֹוָה) and him alone. I was finally free to worship Yehovah (יְהֹוָה) directly. No middle man!

            Deuteronomy 6:4-5 (NASB)

            4 “Hear, O Israel (יִשְׂרָאֵל)! The Lord (יְהֹוָה) is our God, the Lord (יְהֹוָה) is one! 5 You shall love the Lord (יְהֹוָה) your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.

            Praise be to Yehovah (יְהֹוָה)! And him alone!

            See also Isaiah 43:10-13. When Yehovah (יְהֹוָה) was speaking to Israel

            10 “You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord (יְהֹוָה),
            “And My servant whom I have chosen,
            So that you may know and believe Me
            And understand that I am He.
            Before Me there was no God formed,
            And there will be none after Me.
            11 “I, even I, am the Lord (יְהֹוָה),
            And there is no savior besides Me.
            12 “It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
            And there was no strange god among you;
            So you are My witnesses,” declares the Lord (יְהֹוָה),
            “And I am God. 13 “Even [b]from eternity I am He,
            And there is none who can deliver out of My hand;
            I act and who can reverse it?”

            For me, Yehovah (יְהֹוָה) is my one(אֶחָד) and only God!

  37. Thank you, Nehemia. Yes, I like this format, and I like A.J. I like any format where you get to do more of the talking. Actually, I like any format where there is less discussion about why searching the scripture is amazing and fantastic, and more discussion of the scripture. I truly appreciate your “intellectual honesty”. I place that in quotes because, in reality, “intellectual honesty” is merely a willingness to be wrong coupled with an active desire, and effort, to correct ones own error. Dogma drives me nuts. I define the term expert as “educated idiot”. I mainly do so because “experts” are typically people that think they have the answers. They will often look down their noses at their predecessors for all “they just didn’t know as we know today”, while ignoring the fact that their successors will be looking down their noses at them. You never do that. You regularly present a potential solution to a problem, without suggesting it’s the only solution to the problem. You then give the references that start us on our own trek for truth.

    Anyway, I could ramble on for a good while. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

    I love you with the love of YeHoVaH.
    Daniel

  38. Several unrelated (to each other) comments…

    1 Corinthians 12:3
    Therefore, I want to make it clear to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God ever says, “Yeshua is cursed!” and no one can say, “Yeshua is Lord,” except by the Ruach HaKodesh.

    ___

    I have no desire to thank Jewish counter-missionaries, such as Tovia Singer (whom you mentioned), because in my opinion, at best, they are still at a place in their lives (in their thinking, not actions) that Paul was before Damascus. Though I’m sure I lived worse before I repented of my own life.

    So…pray for them maybe, but thank them – not I.

    What I think about the counter-missionaries’ supposed debunking efforts can be summed up in the following statement (which is also related to the drash versus peshat conversation)…

    Can it be stated with absolute certainty that a Psalm which has a literal meaning throughout, could not possibly also have a hidden meaning that applies at the beginning but not at the end? For if all were obvious, how hidden would anything be? It is written, “The glory of God is to conceal a thing”, and I for one choose not to limit how God could and could not hide a thing.

    ___

    Well, not that y’all were comparing the two, but nonetheless I can’t help but think that the Essenes are presumed to have been wiped out but the Christians are still going strong:)

    ___

    John 12:6
    “Now he said this not out of concern for the poor, but because he was a thief- he was in charge of the common purse and used to steal from it.”

    Personally, I think that Judas did what he did to Yeshua out of purely selfish reasons.

    ___

    My comment about the trinity can be found elsewhere on this site.

    ___

    YES! I TOTALLY agree with the woman in Texas. I, too, personally believe because of a spiritual experience and personal encounter with Jesus. Sometimes I wonder why it took so much for me to believe – or why I had the experience I had because I was the lowest of the least worthy. And I was also more doubtful than Thomas, I guess…but I’m SO thankful for all God’s undeserved kindnesses and blessings that He continually provides. Thanks be to Him.

      • Dear yzwisey62yolanda,

        Oh, I had no idea – I thought Essenes were presumed to have been wiped out. My sincere apology! I hope that I have not offended you! And thank for correcting and informing me!

        -Kris

  39. I like. As children of the same Father, walking together the journey of life; some have and ohers have not, as yet(?), met the Son (been revealed to them). Why argue about it? Thank you Nehemia and Pastor A.J. Bernard, I enjoyed this.

  40. So, it’s good to hear how different people interpret scripture, what Christians say, what Jews say. Yeshua himself addressed the same things, he ask his inner 3 who do people say I am? Some said, this, this and that. He said but what do you say? The most important thing to look at is not what others say, but what did Yeshua say of Himself, and what did he do? What hermenutic method did He most use? It is important to notice when (chagim?), the georgraphic location He speaks in, and the people to whom He spoke and what was their understanding. His words were His Father’s words, not words of the Rabbis or the Pastors. Not what the crowds say, but what He said and did.

  41. Brilliant, one of your best discussions yet! Definitely would like to hear more in this vein and more from Nehemiah & AJ. The thread of the discussion was much easier to follow than is often the case when there are a lot of side-tracks…
    Passing this one on to some TFF’s (Torah Following Friends) who are somewhat more rabbinically-minded; it will stimulate some great discussion between us and illuminate all our lives.
    Our Blessed Father is indeed generous giver of gifts!

    • I sincerely thank Mr. Gordon and Mr. Bernard for their time and for this “pirated” episode. This discussion really did make my whole day. I’m like a new and refreshed person after hearing it! Thanks for joining, Mr. Bernard! And thanks always, Mr. Gordon!

      At the same time, I have to admit that I missed Mr. Johnson’s voice – and I missed the immense joy that I’m blessed to receive from hearing the Biblical brotherly love that shines through so loud and clear in the friendship, laughter, and discussions of Mr. Johnson and Mr. Gordon – and, yes, especially their side-tracks, too!!!

      At any rate, what a blessing to my week and life y’all are! May God bless you all three, you and yours!

  42. Shalom,

    How interesting — Jn 18:38 Pilate says unto Jeshua, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and says unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

    2Chr 9:23 And all the kings of the earth sought the presence of Solomon, to hear his wisdom, that God had put in his heart.

    Eccl 1:2 Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

    What is truth? How do we know?
    Jn 17:17 Sanctify them through your truth: your word is truth.

  43. Wow . Chewing this teaching . My journey started a long time ago with the verse from the NT ” Ask and you shall receive , seek and you shall find…” My First belief was there is a God , and I wanted Him in relationship . Fast forward with fits and starts I put the NT down because I wanted to place myself in the context and mindset of a first century Jew. I only knew what I had been taught about Jews with their burden of the law. So I started reading Torah at the beginning . Finding Nehemia and Keith and Jono was a blessing as people who were seeking on common ground of first believing in one God and Abraham’s belief in One God and accepting Torah as truth but coming from different traditions . So I come away from this teaching today with 1. Plain meaning 2. Symbolism and “if God wants me to know it he will .” 3. AJ’s statement , ” When I got serious…Yehovah is truth . I am seeking Him . Him as He has revealed Himself.” 4. “Tradition is a wonderful thing but I’m going to lead by the spirit.” 5. ” lead by the Spirit of Yehovah as I read the scripture.” 6. Open my eyes…”

    • Wow! How wonderful that you love to study God’s Word and seek Him. Take care that you don’t leave your first love. Shalom!

      • My first love was my mother. I was involved in their ” love ” for something to worship by going to church either Baptist or RC . I “internalized ” that love by teachings , traditions and examples from my family. I also ” internalized “by observing creation and beauty and “knew” there was something greater than me . I have not discarded the NT , but wanted to know who these “Jews ” were and not just what I was taught . Jesus said ,” God is spirit, and we will worship in spirit and truth.” As the teachers in this section said , ” intellectual honesty .” I can choose to set aside, discard , and internalize. I do not believe in coincidence. I am thankful that I found Nehemia’s Wall and BFA and thankful for people who seek . Yehovah knows us . He knows our heart. One day we will stand before him and answer for our choices . He will say ” Vicki , you got that right, you got that wrong.” And I will say , ” Yes”, high five in joy , or “I’m sorry,” in humbleness and heart pain, and then I’ll say , in wide eyed childlike wonder, ” I love you,Thank you, teach me.”

        • “You will know them by their fruits”…
          The fruits of Yehovah’s spirit, the fruits that He develops in us as individuals. HIS fruits listed in Gal. 5:22-23.
          Each in his own order, humility and thankfulness bring peace & joy! Vicki do you live anywhere near North Georgia?

  44. More of these, please! Just a little thought regarding verses applying to Israel or Y’shua. I see no reason why they cannot apply to both, with no contradictions.

  45. “Many Christians are genuinely perplexed at why Jews don’t immediately convert when presented with a long list of such verses…”

    The answer is simple. It’s because Christianity is syncretized full of paganism and idolatry. Read the book, “Exposing Lucifer” available at Amazon which will give you deep insight into this issue.

    Jewish believers in Yeshua did not refer to themselves as “Kristianay”. That was a phrase used by Gentile believers. Constantine never converted to “Christianity”; he made Christianity convert to Hellenism. Christians really need to investigate the history of their beliefs, and how they were syncretized with paganism, then many of them would stop believing half the ridiculous things they espouse and find true faith.

    • I want to thank you Gomez, I bought “Exposing Lucifer” on my Kindle last night after reading your comment and I couldn’t put it down. I fell asleep for a few hours and got up early this morning so I could read more. It has answered every question I have been confused about and given me a stable foundation in YHVH’s Word.
      I pray it becomes required reading in seminary soon!

    • It is so true what you say. But we should remember that when reading the Gospels, not every single Jew or even Levite priest, sage or rabbi of Yeshua’s time followed Him as the Messiah of Israel even if they saw Him teaching the Torah and the Prophets fully (Matt. 5:16-19) by making the difference between God’s commandments and man’s commandments, and teaching others too to do the same, fulfiling the Priestly / Suffering Servant Messiah-prophecies etc. Without speaking about Mashiach’s miracles, healing wonders, and signs which confirmed that Yeshua was The Promised Prophet like unto Moses. Still some of the Jews refused to follow Yeshua even if they heard and saw Mashiach in the front of their eyes teaching and living. Not many raises up this point so I wanted to raise it up now.

      So, there’s no need for centuries of “Christianized” paganism if it is about Jews refusing to believe and obey Yeshua as the Messiah. Examples in the Gospel records proofs that it is not about a lack of evidence nor signs or anything, but simply human pride, fear, social pressure or some sort in a form or another. Fear of men and pride is the root of all evil. We should and should want to fear Yehovah if we love Him. We cannot fear and obey the Torah by not believing in and obeying The Prophet like unto Moses which Yehovah has sent.

      I will always believe in and obey Yehovah and Yeshua! No Christian, no Jew, no Messianic, no Hebrew roots believer, no atheist, no agnostic or anyone could not turn me away from Yehovah and Yeshua!

      • The root of why Jews don’t believe or accept yeshua is in what you said. You will always only WORSHIP Yehovah AND yeshua. Can you see it in the light of Torah? There is only one God, Yehovah. He commands worship of Him alone. He doesn’t even say to worship the messiah, whoever that may be. He is the only One True God and there is no other. He didn’t even tell us to worship His Spirit like so many do. Pride, arrogance can be found among many, especially those who are so determined to strip Israels inheritance by laying claim to a messiah that lines up with the Tanach more than the Torah. To dismiss what God Himself said out of fear of going to hell or fear that we were groomed to believe with little evidence but lots of faith is insane. Who is the blind in this case? Yahovah came before everything, 5 books lay everything in order so if something in the new testament or even some of the Tanach don’t fit then we have to lay it aside. Believing in Yeshua was not a command from Abba, listening and obeying Yahovah is a command to those He chose and anyone who wants to join themselves to them. The Jews have to change but not to worship yeshua, its all in the Torah and its between them and Yahovah. The light of truth will shine again so all the nations will k ow that Yahovah is the One True God and all the Jews, in the land and the Diaspora, are His chosen people.

        • Could it be that the idea of worship is being overlooked? To worship the king – to bow before King David and be obedient to his commands, for instance is not the same as serving YHVH alone and having no other gods before Him. To worship the Messiah and obey his commands does not place the Messiah in the same position as YHVH, but to honor the one whom YHVH sent is to honor YHVH himself.

  46. Another Methodist like Keith – HalleluYah!!!
    It would be great to have the THREE of you doing those portions together. I think that would be wonderful. Please think about this and A.J. Bernard – please come back!!!!

  47. I’ve read your book “As it is written” twice. And you pointed out that as a Kariate you rejected the oral tradition because you believed the scripture should be interpreted ‘as it was written’ and that the interpretations of the oral Torah were rejected by Karites and why.

    To me it sounds like you accept Tanach as it is written, yet you encourage Christians and Jews both to read the new testament with the mind set of looking for dual meaning. Because if you’re not looking at the new testament the way it’s written but rather interpreting as the writers meant it to be understood, then I fail to see why oral tradition should be rejected. Since my understanding of the oral Torah is that it’s an interpretation of understanding that goes deeper into the meaning, and Rabbis disagree because they’re giving you more than one interpretation. Perhaps they go too far on its importance compared to the Torah, and shouldnt.

    Honestly, I rejected the interpretations of the New Testament when I was 12 for the same reasons you say you rejected the oral Torah. Years later when I was reintroduced to the Christian faith, after a few short years of feeling depressed I rejected it again for the same reasons, only with much greater insight into why. And I see how there are numerous denominations split apart who argue and debate over interpretations of the bible, to the point where historically some have started wars over it. All for the sake of saying this is how it’s written but here is how you should actually read it.

    I apreciate what you’re trying to do, I really do. I yearn for peace between people as well. But when you go away from the written form and delve into how you think it was meant to be read, you open up the floor to all forms of interpretation. In which case you then agree silently that the belief of Jesus as messiah is correct “if” you look at it this way, but it’s also incorrect “if” you look at it that way.

    In this logic I respectfully disagree as both theories cannot be correct at the same time. Oil and water becomes vinaigrette but it’s a temporary state that reverts by nature back to what it was before because while it works for a time, it’s incompatible in a permanent state.

    • I am not encouraging people to look for “deeper” meaning. On the contrary, I am showing what people are already doing and brought four examples from history: the Dead Sea Scrolls (1QpesherHab), Early Christianity (Luke 24), Rabbinical Judaism, and the Karaite Jew Daniel al-Kumisi. The Rabbis claim to have extra-biblical information that they bring to the table when they read the Tanakh, namely, the Oral Law, which they believe was revealed to Moses on Mount Sinai. The ancient Rabbis readily admitted that their interpretations were contrary to the language and context of the Tanakh. In fact, they explicitly make the distinction between peshat (plain meaning based on language and context) and d’rash (non-contextual, non-linguistic interpretation). The only reason to accept d’rash is because you already believe that God revealed the Oral Law to Moses. The Oral Law includes many d’rash interpretations and more importantly grants the rabbis the authority to use the d’rash method. Ultimately, it comes down to whether you believe God revealed the Oral Law to Moses. If God were to reveal to me that He gave the Oral Law to Moses on Mount Sinai, then no matter how far-fetched and forced its interpretations seemed, I would still believe it because it would be revealing the true intent of the Author. As it stands, God has not revealed this to me and the seeming absurdity of Rabbinical interpretation confirms what I already don’t believe. I encourage people to be honest with themselves about why they believe what they believe rather than just blindly accepting what others have told them.

      • Perhaps you didn’t mean to encourage deeper understanding, but that is exactly what most Christians I know are encouraged to do when someone presents a point, lesson or comment on the bible to them. If I misunderstood your intentions, I apologize.

        As for D’rash, you just described how our minister presented the NT. To believe in the veracity of the NT, I would have to believe that the writers were infused with the spirit of God, and spoke with his voice and authority, and that the NT is the infallible word of God. In spite of the way it seems to contradict both the Tanach and itself.

        If YHWH were to reveal to me that the NT was in fact His word revealed through man, I would then question whether it was YHWH or hasatan testing me before I would believe it.

        Simply put, I believe what I believe because I asked YHWH to see with clear eyes what was true and what was not.

  48. Yeshua/Jesus is practicing with these disciples (if) He is seeing if they would witnesses of him. How better to do it?Disguised or unseen by his own students.While hearing their testimony out of their own mouths.They recounted about Yeshua’s life when the opportunity was given to them.When people die many times, people will stop talking about a decease friend,or relative, or turn against God due to the loss.Especially, IF the person who lost someone is in pain,angry,disappointed, or feel let down from the loss.(They will just stop talking) Yeshua dying by Crucifixtion without the hoped for/or the immediate coming of a kingdom would have put the Disciples in the position of being associated with a criminal, or someone who is mentally ill. This alone could leave them questioning their own sanity and safety as they could have been viewed as in treason to the Roman government of their time.Yeshua and YHVH is Always,Always,Always instructing and practicing with students! Whether it is Abraham,Moses,and up to the Disciples, and into our current students/followers times.When the Lord speaks it is much like an onion. Lots of layers.People may be thinking on a concrete level without the spirit. YHVH is usually speaking on multiple layers all at one time. Anti-missionaries may be acting as “testers” of those who say they believe.Will they actually hold, or will they be easily be carried away?But, then again maybe anti-missionaries should not offend the little ones who come to Yeshua. Less they be like ones with millstones tied about their necks and cast into the sea.

  49. Nehemia thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and insights with us. I have noticed that often if the Greek form of debate is used, Tovia is often in debate; that debate is usually about defending one’s position, an oratory competition as to who can present their case best. This means they will always be in opposition. Whereas the true midrash are people searching for truth; there’s a big difference.

    Isaiah 53; the two opinions are my son can only mean Israel, and the other side my son means Jesus; and quite actually it can refer to both which is a more Hebraic way of looking at things. IMost Christians aren’t aware of that from being taught “doctrine” and a thing can only mean one thing. Tovia should know better.

  50. Shalom Nehemia,
    I REALLY enjoyed this prophet pearls.
    I wanted to direct you a second witness to your idea that you must believe in order for it to be revealed. Consider the passage surrounding John 14:21
    Shalom Shalom

  51. How long have I waited to hear from someone who is knowledgeable of the language, culture and history of the time teach on the stories of the life of Yeshua? How long have I prayed for his? I have always read the Gospels through the eyes of a western Christian because I had no other choice. I knew there were things going on that I could not understand, but I had no way of discovering the real human beings in the narrative. What a joy it is to listen to Nehemia explain these stories.

  52. re: prophet pearls bonus. I begin to get your drift — a glimpse through the glass a little less darkly. Believing again Eph 2:11-3:13

  53. Thankyou Nehemiah this truly was a wonderful well rounded explanation and thoroughly enjoyed both views Thankyou Pastor Bernard for being honest in your journey.

    Gemma.

    • Another one that I think is pertinent to the coming out of Egypt is Deuteronomy 18:13-22; vs 15 in interest of personage vs tribal traits “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me (Moses) from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him.”

      Hosea 11:1 points to Israel, Deuteronomy points to the Israelite man in likeness of authority to Moses.

  54. Respectfully I disagree with Nehemia about Matthew 2:15 being quoted from Hosea 11:1. I happen to be one who agrees this verse” out Egypt I have called my son” is quoted from Numbers 24:8 from the Septuagint.

    Numbers 24:7-8 Septuagint
    ” There shall come a MAN out his seed(Israel), and he shall rule over many nations; and the kingdom of Gog shall be exalted, and his kingdom shall be increased. 8. GOD LED HIM OUT OF EGYPT; he was as it were the glory of a unicorn: he shall consume the nations of his enemies, and he shall drain their marrow, and with his darts he shall shoot through the enemy.”

    Noticed the above passage is not speaking about Israel coming out of Egypt but it is referring to a ”Man” that God led HIM out of Egypt. The early Christians consider this man to be the Messiah Jesus. Matthew 2:15 is quoting from Numbers 24:8 and not Hosea 11:1. Shalom

      • Two ways: Matthew calls Him “the Christ,” which is from the Greek word for “Annointed one,” which is what the Hebrew word “Moshiach” means, and also because Paul, whose writings predate Matthew’s, also teaches of Him as a fulfillment of Jewish prophecy. Since Matthew was writing no more than 30 years after Yeshua’s death, and Paul was writing before that, that is as early as it gets.

        • AJ Thank you for responding but I believe you are answering a question I didn’t ask, that’s okay. I was asking Luke that commented above, how he knows the early christians regarded yeshua as the “man” mentioned in the septuagint version of numbers 24. I know well why Yeshua as generally regarded as the messiah, but again, thank you for responding. Shalom!

    • My study bible gives Hosea 11:1 as the reference verse. I have a Thompson chain reference NKJV. Looking at Num 24, I don’t see how it even fits, as it’s showing when Balaam refused to curse Israel, so blessed her instead ending with ‘blessed is he who blesses you, and cursed is he who curses you.

    • Agree that linking Hosea 11:1 to Matthew 2:15 doesn’t make sense. Reading Hosea in context it seems to be refering to Efrayim and Israel. Numbers 24:8 however, seems a more accurate reference to Yeshua, but in context this verse seems to be more in character of his second coming as the Lion, than as the first coming Lamb.

  55. What can be more glorious, than Scripture being opened up to us, as Rev. Bernard and Nehemiah do, during this session of Prophet Pearls! My dogmatic perspective of scripture, doesn’t even begin to remove the scales, the tradition cemented over “the eyes of my understanding.” Hodu le YHVH ki tov, ki l’olam chasdo! He alone, “opens my eyes that I may see the wonders of His Torah,”and He does it through His Karaite Jew with Rev. Bernard, “stranger who has joined himself to YHVH!” I need and savor every moment of your instruction that guides me as to the “echad” of scripture pre-Matthew with scripture post-Matthew!

  56. I left you a message on FB (Branellie James) asking about learning Hebrew, you might not of seen it, so I will pose it here. What would you suggest being the simplest and fastest way of learning Hebrew?

    Thanks Nehemia

  57. Nehemia, this study is absolutely wonderfully done and so needed to both the jew and the gentiles who levite themselves to Yisrael. Toda raba be ad yahol Ray

  58. Regarding the Trinity (referred to very briefly in this audioblog), it was not official church doctrine until the First Council of Constantinople in 381AD. And nowhere in the Scriptures (OT or NT) is there more than one throne in heaven. 😉

  59. Wow, the anticipation was worth it! This teaching was absolutely amazing! Please, please do some more teachings of this nature. Thanks so much for always blessing us with your honest and humble approach to the Word of Yehovah! Shalom!

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