Hebrew Voices #30 – Nephilim and Demons in the Book of Enoch

Hebrew-Voices-Nephilim-and-Demons-in-the-Book-of-EnochIn this episode of Hebrew Voices, Nephilim and Demons in the Book of Enoch, Nehemia talks with Dr. Miryam Brand about the Book of Watchers, which is another name for the first 36 chapters of 1 Enoch. The intrigue begins in Genesis 6:1-4 when “sons of God” got together with “daughters of men” and “Nephilim” seem to have been the result—a passage Nehemia considers the most difficult in the Tanakh. The Book of Watchers is an attempt by ancient Jews to explain this mysterious passage in the Torah.

Gordon and Brand tread through centuries of biblical and extra-biblical literature to exposit how original and subsequent readers have viewed the Watchers. Brand explains the “distancing” from God that took place in the Second Temple period as evidenced by the increased focus on the angelic world. We also learn that early Christianity was aware of the Watchers; the epistle of Jude quotes from the Book of the Watchers and Justin Martyr also addressed the issue in his Dialogues with Trypho (chapter 79).

If Genesis 6:1-4 has ever caused you to scratch your head, this episode will help you approach it in a more informed way as Gordon and Brand explore context and usage for “watchers,” “angels,” “sons of God,” “awake ones,” “giants,” “mighty men,” "Nephilim," and “Elohim.”

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Outside the Bible: Ancient Jewish Writings Related to Scripture

103 thoughts on “Hebrew Voices #30 – Nephilim and Demons in the Book of Enoch

    • Yes, this is a real picture. I’m presently watching a video that explains about the bones of giants and the cover up of such things. To get up-to-date historical information, I suggest you look up Steve Quayle, Tim Alberino, or Tom Horn to learn more. They can explain more accurately about the Nephilim and their offspring with podcasts, videos, and books .

    • Satan really exits. Yeshua refers to him and his demons. Yeshua was tempted by Satan but Yeshua said “ it is written “, and did what was written. But greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.

  1. Genesis 6:3 is speaking about 120 times cycles or Jubilee Cycles(Seven years times seven equals one jubilee cycle). With year one in cycle also is the 50th Jubilee cycle. This scripture is key to understanding the Daniel 9:26 prophesy. Christ said angles and man can not have sex as angles not do that so I think I respectfully hold to his idea and what He spoke as truth This is scripture he gives this in.
    Matt. 22:30  For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven
    Sort of puts whole in theology of demons or fallen angels having sex with human woman.
    Still love this show. Great teachings here. Praise Yehovah’s servants and teachers. Thanks so much for all you provide those seeking truth. Shalom

    • The angels in heaven are not the Fallen Ones (there is a difference). They did not keep their first estate (double entendre), i.e. Abode and Purity. I can’t afford to be dogmatic, that’s just the way I’ve always seen the distinction. It’s like how Yeshua can be son of God and son of man ( it seems that a spirit delivered Ydna in vitro as Miriam slept ).

  2. I recently went back to this and had to read it in Genesis. It seems if read in the Complete Jewish Bible, that the giants were dinosaurs, and the sons of God were just created men as God was looking down on them, His created human beings. The sons of God saw the daughters of men, WHEN, the giants were upon the earth. The giants were on the earth also after, because Noah brought dinosaurs on the ark. The giants are the fallen ones, or extinct.

  3. The angel had other off spring which we called aliens, 700 different kind. Snakes being,ractillen, giants greys, they also play with DNA by mixing humans and lion, horese ect. Fish god which is 1/2 human and fish , which his names isus..

  4. great topic, one thing i haven t heard mentioned is the scapegoat ceremony, where sin is ascribed to azazel. Azazel was a fallen angel found in the book of enoch.

  5. so is it safe to say from this discussion i can come to the conclusion that the book of enoch and the verse in genesis is not talking about nephelim being demi god giants or huge creatures but actually talking about evil spirits and demons? thats what i got from it.

  6. This confirms there was Angel worship in the first century:

    Colossians 2:18 “Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a man is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind,”

  7. Yes “Demons are the disembodied spirits of the Giants (Nephilim). The ‘Mighty Men of Renown’ are the Gibborim created by the Watchers when they left their heavenly abode and came down to the daughters of men as recorded in Genesis Chapter 6:4 of the Old Testament. They are half breeds, angelic
    hybrids, the Titans.

    NEPHILIM HYBRIDS & ANGELS – BOOK OF ENOCH – ORIGIN OF DEMONS & GIANTS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YinCWgp8IU&list=PLV7Wy_Z8JeGhbeJAtFKQNn-a3cPkpB9Kw

    When fallen angels shape-shift into a form of human being they can have intercourse but not without some aberrant genetic changes. The union of these beasts with humans produced children that were different in many ways. The first apparent difference was that they developed giantism. They were giants or Nephilim. Og the King of Bashan had a bed that was 13 to 15 feet long; and Goliath was 6 cubits tall (9 feet). The second aberration was that they had six fingers and six toes… “The aberrant genetic tendencies of the Nephilim were unfortunately cloned into the D.N.A. of mankind. According to the Bible, only Noah escaped this genetic intervention at the time. There are no records of these perverse tendencies prior to the intervention of the Watchers. These dormant genetic tendencies still surface today at times in different people … The Watchers are a guardian class of angels that were assigned to watch over the earth and protect mankind from just this sort of thing happening.

    Jesus said, “But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.” (Matthew 24:37). How were the days of Noah? They were violent and according to 2 Peter verse 2 these are the days that the angels fell and were judged. According to Jude 6 these are the days that the angels fell and were chained

    in Tartarus deep in the earth.

    • Interesting, this would make logical sense , why Yehovah has brought about the flood on to the earth. We do know from scriptural records, that extreme evil continued after the flood , and indeed is present to this day.

      In fact , genetic alterations again are possible and is this not one of the signs of the end?

  8. Rabbi Daniel Lapin explanation is that theses are not angels but “sons of great men” that just took whatever woman they wanted made them pregnant and left them high and dry, the children are the “fallen ones”, just falling into the world without a father. they become dangerous young men.
    for instance, i think it is the Dallas Cowboys, there are players that have fathered 72 children with 23 different women.
    i hope this helps you.

    • The field of genetics shows that in most cases, two people of like origin will be similar in appearance, stature, skin color taking on the traits of both parents. The question at hand then, where does the “giant:” part of this come in. The Bible does speak of differences between normal and the giant. Usually, 6 fingers/toes. This is not normal genetics. Mate a 6ft man with a 5’5 women and you typically will not end up with 10-36 foot tall offspring. Something was different about this union. The Sons of God are mentioned several times in the book of Job, ALL referring to angels. What tied it up for me is in the 1st century historian Josephus book, Antiquity of the Jews, it states in Chapter three that indeed, human women cohabitated with angels. This is what was being taught in Yeshua’s day.

      • I have followed this discussion for some while. I have a needling question which may seem unrelated but I have no one to ask. We look around in the society and it appears that our human distortion is increasing “like the days of Noah”.
        I have witnessed an odd phenomenon. In the 80 years past, swearing has changed!
        The use of words to curse or express outrage are different. Formerly, Gods name was used to condemn, or the name of Jesus was invoked, things or people were condemned to hell, or people cursed someone’s mother or conception. All of that seems gone.
        Now only one word is used, as a noun, verb an adjective or adverb. And of all the oddities, it connotes sex. One would think that the worst of times would cause creative openly cursing of God, but not so, we curse about sex. Is that odd or is it a tell tale witness that distorted , contaminated sex is involved in human hatred of God? Another oddity is that the use of the word grows and it seems to almost be contagious.

        I look forward to feedback as this seems a picture of assault in the past and future of vulnerable humans.

  9. Hi. Thanks for a discussion of Watchers and Enoch. FYI I think it is important because Yeshua in the NT states that before the Messiah comes, “it will be as in the days of Noah”; there are pastors saying that the watchers corrupted human DNA as YHVH created, with the intent of destroying mankind and pollutinglineage of the Messiah … And.. that the nephalim and raphim are coming back to do their dastardly deeds. There are journal articles now saying that scientists plan a “trans human” movement with altered human DNA to enable immortality without YHVH and interface our brains with computer enhanced artificial intelligence. Again destroying our DNA as YHVA created us. Just a thought for consideration.

    • I concur – as I recently saw an article about some ‘mad’ scientists who, in order to save mankind from extinction, are designing an altered human genome and incorporating Artificial Intelligence (and God-knows-what-else), just as you mention. Things are escalating “just as it was in the days of Noe…”. Noah was ‘perfect in his generations’, meaning his DNA was unaltered, and that’s why his line was preserved. I suspect one or more of his daughters-in-law carried a flaw, and that’s how we got some giants after the flood wiped everyone else out. Amazing how some people can’t believe the plain text of the Bible and make the connection to current events. Also, I’d like to know how 7 billion living humans equates to humans on the verge of extinction !?!

  10. 1. The “sons of God” in Gen 6 are not angels. Angels cannot marry or procreate (Matt 22:30). This is plain and simple. They are of two different substances (1 Cor 15). It would be like a bird and a pig mating. Can’t happen. Likewise, the Messiah is not the literal “son of God.” The Deity is not a man (Num 23:19). He has no fleshly genetic code. He cannot sire a son. Yeshua was created from Mary as Adam was created from dust. Yeshua is the “last Adam.” When he was resurrected, he was changed and became the “firstborn” of the new Creation, the “son of God” with power.

    2. Adam is called the “son of God” (Luk 3:38). Abel was murdered and Cain was cut off and exiled. Seth continued the line of Adam as the heir. The term “son” applies not only to the direct progeny of the parent but all future descendants as well (Gen 31:28). Thus, the “sons of God” refer to the lineage of Seth, son of Adam, son of God.

    3. The “daughters of men” in Gen 6:2 refer to those born in v. 1 of men. These men are called “adam” because all men come from Adam. They do not refer to neanderthals, as another poster propositioned. Gen 1 is telling of the re-creation of the earth after it had been destroyed by some cataclysmic event. Neanderthals, dinosaurs, etc. existed on the earth prior to Gen 1. The distinction between the “sons of God” and these men had already been made in the chapters prior: the lineage of Cain and the lineage of Seth.

    4. The righteous men of Seth married the unrighteous daughters of Cain. This led to the righteous being yoked with the unrighteous and light with darkness. So much so that only Noah was left of the righteous.

    5. The “nephilim” were already in the earth prior to the “sons of God” marrying the “daughters of men.” It says this specifically in Gen 6:4. Therefore, the “nephilim” were also created from the “sons of men” and the “daughters of men.”

    6. “Nephilim” does not mean fallen ones. It means those that “fall on” people, i.e. giants. The Anakim are called “nephilim” (Num 13:33). The Anakim were a great and tall people (Deu 9:2).

    7. There is a slight variation between “nephilim” of Gen 6:4 and Num 13:33. Num 13:33 has a yod between pei and lamed. This hints at a slightly different meaning between the two. Thus, I believe “giants” is not literal, but figurative. They were “giants” or men of great stature and reputation, i.e. “men of renown.” This is not a good thing. They were likely tyrants who enslaved the masses and elevated themselves as gods. They may also have been very tall men (like Goliath) who clubbed their way to the top. This would be the literal meaning of giants (not that they were absurdly tall as others proposition).

    8. The Book of Enoch is rubbish. 2 Pet 2 and Jude do not promote the Book of Enoch. They are actually using the passages from the Book of Enoch AGAINST those that preach it. Jude says, “But these speak evil of those things which they know not (i.e., the angels)…” And Peter says, “Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord… speak evil of the things that they understand not…” Accusing the angels of sinning is a “railing accusation” made by people who do not understand the things of the heavenly.

    9. Angels do not sin. They are incapable of sin. It is our nature that causes us to sin. Angels do not have a sinful nature. When Peter says (paraphrasing) that IF God did not spare the angels that sinned (as these preachers say) then He is not going to spare those unrighteous preachers that proclaim that the angels sinned. Rabbinical Jews believe that angels can make mistakes and “sin,” but this is not due to a sinful nature. They made an “honest mistake.” In any account, angels cannot intentionally violate the will of Deity.

    • Apologies but some of your points here are way off.

      How do you explain Job 1:6, 2:1- and Job 38?
      Job 1:6
      Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the Lord and said, From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.”

      This verse by itself seems fairly clear that Satan and other angels came in front of God and He and Satan had a discussion about Job. This repeats again in Job 2:1. The real deal is in Job 38:
      Job 38:7 where Yah is asking Job if he was there when he established the world. The proof is in verse 7. Job was not there but eh sons of God were. Angels are usually referred to as stars in the Bible. Take a look. God specifically calls out Job and asks, “Where were you” when he did all these things at creation. No man existed! As you continue the narrative when he “laid the foundation of the earth” or “stretched out a line on it”. Who was there? The angelic host were the only ones that existed at the time of earths creation (besides God of course).

      38 Then the Lord (A)answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,

      “Who is this that darkens counsel
      By words without knowledge?

      “Now gird up your loins like a man,
      And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!

      “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
      Tell Me, if you have understanding,

      Who set its measurements? Since you know.
      Or who stretched the line on it?

      “On what were its bases sunk?
      Or who laid its cornerstone,

      When the morning stars sang together
      And all the (H)sons of God shouted for joy?

      And point number 9, really?
      Isaiah 14:12-14
      12 
      “How you have fallen from heaven,
      O star of the morning, son of the dawn!
      You have been cut down to the earth,
      You who have weakened the nations!
      13 
      “But you said in your heart,
      ‘I will (C)ascend to heaven;
      I will (D)raise my throne above the stars of God,
      And I will sit on the mount of assembly
      In the recesses of the north.
      14 
      ‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
      (E)I will make myself like the Most High.’

      Here we have Satan/Lucifer himself blaspheming God himself. This is not sin? The Bible is replete with his sins and rebellion.

      • And also on point 4, how do you explain Seth sons being righteous and Cain’s unrighteous daughters when in Gen 6, it says that ALL flesh had corrupted it way upon the earth. Wouldn’t ALL Flesh include Seth’s so called righteous sons?

        Genesis 6:12
        God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth.

        Genesis 6:13
        Then God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.

    • It does say angels don’t marry or given in marriage but I don’t know if we can mean that they don’t have “some” ability to procreate. The bible never is explicit about that fact. They might not have been created with an inward ability to create after themselves as adam was. His ability was within him as eve, who was taken from him. She now apart from him, might have made access to their abilities to do so that were lacking before in the form of woman being now separated outside of man. As far as angels “sinning”, lucifer was an angel who surely fell from heaven & it is making a case of micheal, another angel not bringing accusation against him. The point being that those who have not been authorized by God to do so & sent with His message, should not be trying to judge those that have been allowed into leadership & oversight positions over peoples. God does send human messengers to those, but to save further confusion, deception & misery to this whole fallen state of the world, those should not be someone who authorizes themselves & therefore go without perfect sight, clarity & righteousness of being sent by Him & equipped with His message. Also interesting is the fact that the Bible declares before man’s creation & at the creation of the world that the sons of God rejoiced when the foundations were being fastened & the cornerstone of the earth laid. Who are these that were there rejoicing before man of the dust came to being?

  11. I’d like to suggest a radical interpretation. The story in Gen 6:1-7 might be a remnant of a very distant human ‘folk memory’, since angels cannot breed with humans. Humans and Neanderthals first encountered each other in what is now Israel. The ‘children of God’ might be what the Neanderthals called themselves (humans and Neanderthals interbred, with some difficulty; not all the offspring survived due to genetic disparity), and the Nephilim (=’giants’) might be Denisovans, contemporaries of the Neanderthals. The Denisovans were about 1.5 times taller than modern humans, and also interbred with humans. Their own name for themselves (endonym) might have sounded similar to Nephilim (biblical Hebrew had a tendency to give other peoples Hebrew names derived from what their own names sounded like), and so may have had nothing to do with the verb ‘to fall’ originally. Given the fact that not all hybrids survived, humans may have come to see the Neanderthals as a curse, and inflicted genocide on them – through this contact, the sin of genocide came into the world, and God decided to do something about it……….It’s the ONLY interpretation that fits the text AND the scientific evidence. .

    • The Nephilim are merely “those who came down” or “descended ones” referring to fallen angels. The word does not mean giants nor demons nor anything else. The nephilim are the fallen (descended) angels.

      • Aren’t the “Sons of Elohim” the “fallen angels” that are kept in eternal bonds?
        Jude 1:6

        That would make the Nephilim the offspring of fallen angels and women.

    • The Bible does say that angels are not married or taken in marriage but those are the angels of God. We are not talking about those who are keeping his charge. We are talking about the fallen angels, the ones that left their first estate/habitation. Where did they go then? The came down to earth. So many verses talk about angels interacting with humans and could not be differentiated from a human. The bible also says we could entertain these angels unaware of that fact. Take a look at Jude 1:6

      6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

      This verse starts out saying angels left their domain (heaven), their proper place. These are the ones paying the big price! They did something so wicked that they are kept in chains and darkness for judgement. Now look at what Lucifer did in Isaiah 14 with the 5 I wills. Is he not roaming the earth free right now looking for whom he can devour? What sin did these specific angels who left their first estate do to warrant being held captive in prison in darkness and chains till judgement day while Satan roams free?

      Just a as the people of Sodom and Gomorrah IN THE SAME WAY AS THESE (the angels), went after STRANGE FLESH! Most are aware of the sexual perversion of Sodom and Gomorrah was homosexuality among others (the strange flesh), the angels in like manner, violated Gods law in a big way. It was never intended for angels and humans to conceive children. This is why they were incarcerated because they found a way. Yah told all physical, fleshly creatures/animals/birds/fish to “multiply” after their own kind. We have first hand a story of the people of Sodom trying to have sex with the men Lot was trying to protect. Were they not ANGELs?

      • very niece insights neighbor. Ones i tend to hold as being true. We are told that man is the only part of Gods creation that was made in His own image and likeness, but just above the animals and just below the the angels. Knowing this, the angels are much more powerful than we are and capable of moving between 2 realms. They are even capable of possessing human beings or appearing has humans, so why would it be hard for some to understand that they where able to copulate with human women. I think maybe the denial comes from self-righteous pride, because we forget who we truly are. With this said, we are also told that one day we will be judging angels ( if that doesn’t blow your mind ). There are many mysteries that God wishes to reserve for Himself, but i shall Praise my Lord for the clarity of understanding salvation through Jesus the Christ who makes known the truth and it will set us free.

  12. Of cause the sons of the Gods were people for the Gods are people. Their other name they’re known by is the Annunaki and they reside on the planet Nibiru. But still no matter what, they are normal people, they are human. Even according to Genesis 1 verse 25 – 28 or so it’s recorded they we, us humans were created equal to God, in His image and in His likeness. So therefore, seeing we are human AND equal to God it naturally tells us that God Himself is only just a normal human like we are.

  13. I was not able to find a link to subscribe to Dr. Brand’s blog. I can read it, but I saw no place to subscribe. Do you have any information?

  14. You guys got this totally wrong. After Lucifer’s immaculate conception with Eve. Angels mating with humans have never happen again until Gabriel annunciation about the coming of Jesus.

  15. I am new here, and I am sure someone has asked this but may you answer me in my ignorance. I listened to the discussion with Dr Brand. In the past I have dismissed the angel-human connection, although it would explain demons. My question is; If Jews believe this happened previously, why do they have a problem with God impregnating a human for a son?… And why do Christians have a problem with the origin of demons since they believe God had a half human son? Thank you

  16. Sons of Elohim = “fallen angels” kept in bonds awaiting judgement (Jude 1:6)

    Disembodied spirits of dead Nephilim = demons (Zech 13:2)

    Sons of Elohim + Daughters of men = Nephilim —> demons

    • The word “nephilim” simply means: “ones who came down” or “descended ones”. That’s all. Not giants nor demons nor anything else.

      • As living Nephilim they were from “descended ones,” but didn’t they become disembodied evil spirits (“demons”) when they died, seeking to inhabit other things?
        Mat 8:16, 28-32
        1 Cor 10:19-21

  17. To find the answers go to Ps. 82….then go to the creation week. On the 6th day men and women were created in His likeness and image. Now go to the end of that chapter and read where the creation was finished. I get no info in the creation that Adam and Eve were created at this time. There is no telling how long ago the creation was finished nor the time line of when Adam and Eve were created. At the creation time we have beings that were created like HIM with no telling how much intelligence and knowledge, but we are told in Ps. 82 that they rebelled, they were created to aid the widows and orphans but sided with the rich, instead. Not all but some. Those beings were male and female humans but not like Adam and Eve. There is a greater understanding today about blood types Rh – and +. And I have a feeling they the first humans were Rh-. And not suppose to mate with the Adamic line….Gen 6 tells us that they did and strange hybrids were born. We are also told that He did not want the hybrids to continue and attempted to wipe them out during the flood and the occupation of the land of Israel, where they still lived in small pockets in the area. An interesting study, and I am also very comforted to know that He did provide beings to be our guardians, me , now being a widow it means a lot to know the faithful ones are watching over us.

  18. The book of Hebrews says that God never called angels sons. Yeshua said angels don’t marry. In the old testament sons of God refer to men. In Job 38:7 the sons of God is referring to the sun and moon. See Psalm 148. Anyone familiar with the scriptures will perceive that the book of Enoch is not inspired. Just because Peter and Jude quote one or two sentences from it doesn’t constitute an endorsement of it. Paul quoted Greek works. Enoch contradicts a number of scriptures and has a ludicrous perception of reality. For example, it says that the angels built Noah’s ark(67:2) and the sun and moon are the same size(72:37 and 78:3). It says the year only has 364 days(82:6) and that one month has 28 days(78:9) which didn’t come into being until the Julian calendar. The book is obviously a fraud. Also, it is full of astrology. Finally, anyone who believes the 106th chapter is seriously deficient in the ability of discriminating the truth since it is more ridiculous than some of the passages in the epic of Gilgamesh.

    • Shalom Bill. Please take it easy on this one. There appears to be sooooo very much we don’t contemplate concerning dementional existence and how fluidity our God and His created beings move between the two. If you wish to be wise like Paul and say “I have determined to know nothing among you except Messiah, and Him crucified”,, I certainly won’t fault you for you will have chosen the better part as Mirium did. But to speak so definitive concerning such things, ither for, or against, just seems unwarranted. For me and my house, we’re going to listen for the true tone of wisdom in these discussions for I believe it can be had. Blessings to you and yours as you seek Him!

    • Job 1 and Job 2 speak of the Sons of God and how they all went in unto God (this thrown room) and Satan went with them and he had a discussion with God about Job. So you are saying these sons of God mentioned in the same book (Job chapters 1 and 2) are the sun a nd moon in verse 38? That means that the sun and moon went in with Satan to the thrown room of God in chapters 1 and two to watch the discussion. The sun and moon were placed in the firmament and do not leave their circuit.

  19. To which of the angels has He ever said “you are my son?” I cannot and will not believe that fallen angels cam mate with human women to produce giants! While angels can appear as men, they are not men, not flesh but spirit, fallen or not..there are many “precursors” in history that seem to be in common with Judeo-Christian beliefs, such as mother and child worship of Semmeramis (Easter) being impregnated by the rays of the sun and begetting Tammuz..clearly the only way for Miriam (a virgin) to conceive was by the Holy Spirit…see without the original the counterfeit is meaningless. We have giants today, are they Nephilim? No! These “sons of God” were just that Godly men who intermarried with pagan, heathen women.which went against God’s instruction. Anytime you’re disobedient there are consequences!

    • Great Point Angels or spirits are neither male or female only references to Male is to establish authority as set forth in Genesis

    • I so agree. Sons of God, line of the godly, and daughters of men, those of the same nature of Cain.. This is why, and let me say clearly I BELIEVE, the thread to the END in the B’rit Chadashah is “do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers for what fellowship hath darkness with light?”. For those of us who are married, we understand that the woman has a GREAT influence with her man. We watched Solomon fall away due to the influence of women. We see it in the Midianite deception. Women are a great influence on a man’s faith. Sons of God are just that, sons of God, not angels. In Job, the place that seems to cause consternation, and it would be good if we could get more of the Hebrew from there, it says that the Sons of God appeared along with hasatan, and if I may submit, I have always believed that the picture was those who were in prayer came before Father. As they were praying the adversary also “came in”.. I know it’s just my speculation, but it makes more sense to me. I base this on there having been at least three times every day of unified prayer time. I know there are also night watches etc.. so maybe not JUST three.. Yet this is what I see out of the Amidah, and of course with Daniel, and a few others! We are also told, and again, it’s from the B’rit, but our very own mouths are used in the presence of God, when we yield to accusation, we have come in another spirit. “Get thee behind me hasatan” when Peter opened his mouth.. it was another spirit he yielded too..

      Men of renown/giants, are not only those in physical stature, but they are also conquerors.. Those who “try to take over the world”.. Still trying, even today. islam a forerunner in this…

      I do believe in the fallen angels and the demonic. I do believe in possession, but I do not believe they procreated with women. They do not have those parts, they were not made that way, they are SPIRIT.

      • what makes you so sure they don’t have ‘those parts’, did you encounter one and got him undressed? when the watchers came down they abandoned their habitation (whatever that means) and was a form of rebellion which God considered unforgivable. your interpretation of the passage in Job is really out of tune…I wasted my time reading it. you quoted the NT so did you read the epistles of Peter and Jude? did God put in tartarus the descendants of the godly people??? the text of Gen 6 does not support your idea as the daughters of men corrupted the sons of God, just the opposite. the verse that most run to for ‘proof’ that the angels can’t mate is when Jesus said that we will not marry anymore rather will be like angels in heaven…the key word is heaven. these fallen ones/nephilims, abandoned their abode and came down to earth, they didn’t mate in heaven. if cain’s line mated with seth’s line, why the offspring turned out giants??? have you ever heard of a ligar??? anyway you’re entitled to your opinion…

        • Then where are they today Sonny? If they were there before the flood and after the flood, why have they not appeared since that time? And if they had those “parts” they would be mortal..
          What does a ligar have to do with angels and mortals mating?

          You haven’t seen one either.. so the argument goes the other way…

          • If you’d re-read my comment, I don’t have to repeat myself.
            You insist that angels don’t have sex organs, that’s why I asked if you’ve seen one. Why are you so sure about that?
            I mentioned ligar because it’s a hibrid of a lion and a tiger and that’s the reason of it’s size. Giant remains are found allover so you can’t discard their existence. Now if Seth’s line and Cain’s line interbreeded, why did they produce giant offsprings???
            Remember the word angel means messenger, so there are more types of angels including the fallen ones. You asked where are they now…read the book of Jude, he tells you. They can’t do nothing anymore because they are in chains. As far as their offsprings they died in the flood since they were partly mortals and their spirits are what we came to know as demons. The giants in the land of Canaan after the flood were like babies in comparison to the giants before the flood. The gene mutation caried by Ham’s wife reproduced them. Thank David for taking them out so we don’t have to deal with them anymore. Your idea of righteous vs unrighteous breeding it doesn’t hold any water in light of the biblical statements.

          • Sonny, your comment about ligers was new information to me, so I went off to read about them. I had no idea that they can (tend to?) grow larger than either lions or tigers. It can be much bigger, in fact. Thanks for sharing that tidbit.

    • your belief or unbelief as well as mine, are irrelevant so lets put them on the side for now and try to analyze the text not our preconceptions. ‘while angels can appear as men, they are not men, not flesh but spirit…’
      wow…please enlighten me, how did you reach that conclusion??? do spirits eat??? can they walk??? can be touched??? if they can’t be flesh how did Jacob got to fight one or Abraham to eat with them or the sodomites to lust for them???
      about your ‘precursors’ I’m confused…a counterfeit NEVER comes before the original…are you suggesting that Tammuz was the original and Jesus the counterfeit??? and the last one ‘…we have giants today…’, where??? the world’s record is about 8 feet and they seems like midgets compared to the archeological findings…20-30 feet. those sons of God that you called godly men are in chains in tartarus not in sheol, wonder why, if they were godly men??? oh well you can keep on believing whatever you want, but remember our beliefs will not change the facts, it only keeps us in the dark.

  20. There is in Daniel 8 the talk of Angles falling away to follow Satan through the abomination of Desolation also in Ezekiel 39,39 with Gog, Rosh, Meshek, and Tubal.. deep teachings for we learn that angles also have free will and will come before the judgement. I do not agree with book of Enoch, i see it is a man inspired book. The Tanakh in the truth! Shalom

    • Joseph Israel, you have made an important connection. Some of those beings are known or reasoned from the scriptures to be very handsome/beautiful. If we should see one then we would affirm that it is a cute angle. Some of them are not very smart. Those are obtuse angles.

    • But it is said that these angels that fell, left their first “estate”. Their habitat. Or nature even. It is IN heaven where beings arnt given in marraige. Leaving their firdt estate, they went down to earth. Who knows what they were capable of doing. And when defining “spirit”..it could be very similar to our nature. .or material.

  21. Thank you for explaining the Hebrew more completely. This helps put Rob Skiba’s teaching in better context.

  22. One possible interpretation I have run across is that there were humans on earth that were created before Adam. That is who the sons of Adam married. Thus the sons of Yah were of Adam’s linage and the sons/daughters of man were those who were of the others. Giants and men of renown were the men who took charge and were “leaders” etc.

    • God created the Heavens and the Earth, then created Man on the 6th day, male and female He created them. There is no scripture to back up man being here before Adam and Eve, nor any that says more were created after Adam and Eve. God gave them the ability to procreate and told them to fill the earth.

      • They get that idea from the use of “adam” in a generic form to describe the creation of mankind, before it is used in a specific way to describe the man as by name (Adam). This apparently inconsistent usage of “adam” also gave rise to the idea that the originally created human was fundamentally different than the animals in that [s]he had both genders in one being (“male and female created he them”) prior to God deciding that this plan was not good, that the man needed a “companion” and so he woman was created/separated out of the man. This seems to have originally been a Jewish idea.

  23. Interesting and enjoyable discussion! Keep in mind the Hebrew word malak, used as angels, only means messenger, not necessarily angel. Malak is used numerous times in other contexts so we know it is not just angelic beings. Angel beings, fallen or otherwise, are specifically referred to as cherubim, seraphim, and teraphim. Not all malak are therefore angels, imho, including the one who does not identify himself to Jacob, yet Jacob’s name is changed and the place is also called Peniel. This mysterious “angel” or messenger was none other than God Himself in bodily form. As further support, notice also the presence of the aleph-tav (“the First and the Last” of Isaiah 44:6). An in depth study of the aleph-tav reveals much, especially that it is not JUST an object identifier (a grammatical tool), but also an actual identifier of Elohim revealed in bodily form. This is supported also in messianic prophecies.

  24. Very interesting… A few decades ago, I wrote a long piece in a poetry class. I will not repeat in whole, other than to say, that it was on trying to write in biblical prose on an idea that flashed into my mind, a couple of hours before having to go to class, but that it mentioned within the prose… “..the leaders of men renowned… This piece was based on an idea of just before Noah’s entry into the ark.

  25. Amen and amen!

    A very good illustration!
    May YHWH bless the conversation with the hidden things of His Torah!

    Looking forward to all that comes through the people of YHWH seeking truth,

    Shalom to all!

  26. Adam was not what we are today, he was an angelic like being, bones and flesh but no blood. When he ate the fruit he died that day. To save Adam, YHVH created a coat of animal skin and wrapped it around this dying angelic being. This is a poetic way of saying YHVH turned Adam into an animal, as we are today.

    YHVH is just. If YHVH allowed Adam to become an animal, He has to allow Angels as well. Angel DNA then began corrupting Adam’s descendants by mating with human women. This set up the need for the Flood to purify humans by killing anyone with this corrupt lineage and also explains the passage stating that Noah was perfect in his generations – no fallen angel DNA.

    Christians believe Yeshua was restored to what Adam was before the Fall after the resurrection.

  27. Dear Nehemia,
    you are one of the greatest teachers I know, my favorite expert in everything about the hebrew Tanach, Matthew, and the context history around. Now, to hear you being surprised about the details of the book of Enoch, is a big surprise to me. Who are Gavriel, Michael, Raphael, and Uriel, the four arch-angles, who all the angel-worshippers know? Who is this Azazel, and why is he somewhere out in the desert, what was rehearsed on Yom Kyppur? THIS ALL WAS COMMON KNOWLEDGE, WHEN THE TORAH WAS WRITTEN! Also Daniel, Zecharjah (haCohen), and Mirjam (batYoseph) knew who was talking to them. Where does it come from, that hasatan is the great accusor? Was the great flood a righteous judge for worshiping gods of wood and stone, or a compelling step for something much worse? No no no no, the book of Enoch was a common known prerequisite to the Torah. The same is to say about the book of Jashar, what is mentioned in the Tanach twice. Why are these books neither in the Jewish nor in the Christian Bible? We, the house of Israel and the house of Judah, are (or were) both under punishment. Part of this was to be stripped away from the understanding of the Torah, each in a different way, by Churchianity or Phaiseeism, what is basically the same, leading away from the Torah. The Ethiopian believers were never living in the land of Israel, this semms to be why they never came under spiritual Punishment of YHWH, and why they had the privilege to obtain the book of Enoch. Once recognized this, you will find out, how Moshe could have known of Noah and the flood, how Noah knew what are clean and unclean animals, and much more. The Torah is not the ultimate book of history, it’s only containing a thin and short guideline of history, to support the given commandments. This seems to be another part of YHWH’s brilliant plan, without the historical sections, the torah could have be dropped out of the Christian bible, maybe even of the Jewish. But both needed the story, and could not separate it from the commandments, this is really brilliant.

    By the way, there is another person, that you will never find introduced in any bible, neither in any extra-biblical book, somebody called Belial, the lawless one, but who is mentioned about thirty times. It did not take a long time to find his source, he is explained in the satanic bible. Therein are four books, the book of Satan, Lucifer, Belial, and Levihian. The book of Satan is describing about his power, and how one can get a part of it. The book of Lucifer is about ‘being illuminated’, getting some ‘extra knowledge’. The book of Belial is about lawlessness, ‘how good’ such a life ‘shall be’. The book of Levihian has something to do with their rituals. I took a copy of it, a free pdf-download, but then keeping only the index, titles, introduction sections, and such things, while deleting its ‘real content’ complete. I did not read a single chapter or verse, because I’m afraid to learn something, that I later could try out, maybe in a dark moment. Its good to know about it, the four names and faces of satan, their characteristics, their descriptions, but nothing more than this.

    Being in something a little bit ahead of my favorite expert, made me feel a little bit proud, but I hope this will change soon, thanks and regards.

  28. Clearly Nehemiah has been blessed with great talent and I feel grateful to The Father in heaven that we all here can benefit from the clarity of understanding and keep us on the path The Most High Yehovah is guiding us to.

    May His face shine upon us all

  29. Thank you Nehemia and Dr Brand; Excellent conversation/teaching once again.

    Yehovahs promise to save and restore if we seek him and turn to him/his torah with our whole hearts, I’ve experienced this in a big way. With all the teachings out there… this is another encouraging reminder to hold fast to Torah.

    Deut 4:2 “do not add to or take away from”
    Deut 32:47 “therefore be careful to obey all the words of this Torah for this is not a trivial matter for you, on the contrary, it is your life…

    And Yes it would be wonderful to hear more:)

    Shalom

  30. This episode really gave me some answers as to how the christian church looks at the demonic world. I really resold with this while being in te church and this does fill up a pit of the gape. I will be listening to her teachings to find out more!! What stuck me most was how the “church” prays…. the always, in my environment, pray for the power of God. wow this insight was amazing!! And I do agree that it never felt right. I am so very glad to have heard this and Nehemiah keep up the good word of making our “world” bigger and possibilities more of the meaning of YeHoVaH’s word. I understand much more of the christian mind set because of your teachings!!
    Thank you so much!!

  31. The statement in Genesis… “Noah was perfect in his generations..” seems to indicate a pure genetic pool for his family. They had not intermarried with lines corrupted by the fallen angelic intercourse.

  32. My heartfelt gratitude for your Hebrew Voices Series and introducing me to the learned Dr. Brand! My scriptural and spiritual understanding is growing in leaps and bounds which makes me more grounded in my Faith. I thrive on understanding and you are one of my blessed resources.
    THANK YOU
    Janet

  33. Shalom Nehemiah, thanks you for sharing.
    So if that is truth, you know what it means …
    It gives all credits to Yeshua conception and story.
    God chose to fight evil spirits with His Spirit dwelling in His children starting with Yeshua. That was the only way cause mortal people can’t fight with spirits.Then His Spirit could be given as “Birth From Above” by laying hands, hearing and reading the saving words with Faith. And finally all souls in whose bodies His Spirit dwelled could be gathered and resurrected, as a proof Yeshua presented His Body to first disciples. Its clear why orthodox jews wouldn’t take book of Enoch serious!

  34. It would certainly be interesting to hear a “raw stream of Torah consciousness” from the two of you playing off each other. You keep running off to all kinds of interesting places in your discussions! I have been enjoying Miriam’s podcast as well; thank you for bringing it to our attention, Nehemia.

  35. I had heard all of this before but it was nice to know where the sources come from. Good job Nehemia keeping on topic for I am sure it is hard for both you to reign in all the vast knowledge and directions the conversation could go. Thank you for sharing!

  36. Excellent insight on a topic that has been clear as mud for much of my life. I find it hard to believe that angels have the ability to mate with humans because of my assumption that they would not be designed with the tools of making babies because they are created in infinity. But it was an interesting explanation of where evil spirits came from. I really enjoy the freedom of exploring the questions that are hard to answer. Thanks

    • I agree that certain questions are very hard to answer if one chooses to reject the notion that the Tanakh actually speaks of the Hebrews as being a pure race. Clearly the writers were mistaken in classifying particular tribes as giants. Nor was David up against a family of 6 toe/fingered members. Obviously some people had trouble counting back then. Not that people with 6 toes aren’t ever born in this day, of course, to someone of Polynesian racial lines. Nor would angels ever rebel against YHWH and mislead humanity, that never happens. Mr Darwin was so clever to tell us how diversity came about over billions of years and we know that people, being so clever, went from caves, to the Great Pyramid in the chronology of a few thousand years, and never looked back. That brings us to another point of how our species is continually evolving and our lifespan increasing, genetic diseases a thing of the past, etc. Wow, that makes everything so logical, or is there a simpler explanation, like the different texts state things as they really are? Certainly mainstream theology rejects this notion. Which brings up another question, how did mainstream theology evolve, and is it in danger of extinction in the near future?
      Looking forward to Nehemia boldly going where no theologian has gone before.

  37. Yes yes…more of this teaching please. I’m very hungry to know this as if it is stories of home from long ago.
    Thank you Nehemiah for adding Hebrew Voices to the lineup each week.

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