Hebrew Voices #17 – Enoch Walking with Angels (Rebroadcast)

In this episode of Hebrew Voices, Enoch Walking with Angels, Nehemia Gordon meets with Dr. Miryam Brand to discuss 1 Enoch, which is part of the Jewish "Pseudepigrapha" from the Second Temple period. Gordon and Brand discuss how Enoch’s marginal (albeit fascinating) mention in the Tanakh has resulted in a body of literature and lore about his life and its unusual “end.”

We learn how different time periods (particularly the Second Temple period) have grappled with the statement that “Enoch was not, for Elohim took him.” Regarding the translations of “Elohim” and “son of man,” Brand offers both rabbinical and academic interpretations: God, judges, or angels -- and mere mortal or messiah? We learn the Qumran connection to four of the five books that were combined to form 1 Enoch and the possible implications for the one book not found there. In closing, Brand and Gordon discuss the veracity of the Enoch stories—and in what sense it matters whether they are “true” or not.

I look forward to reading your comments!

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Show Notes:

Dr. Miryam Brand holds a Ph.D. in Bible and Second Temple Literature from New York University and an M.A. in Bible and Biblical Interpretation from Matan and Haifa University. Her book on the portrayal of sin in the Second Temple period (Evil Within and Without: The Source of Sin and Its Nature as Portrayed in Second Temple Literature) was published in 2013 and her commentary on the Book of Enoch was published as part of Outside the Bible in 2013. She has taught at Brown University, New York University, and Stern College and has spoken at Hebrew University, Cambridge University, and the University of Kiel. She is currently an Associate Fellow at the Albright Institute of Archaeological Research.

Dr. Brand's Website

Outside the Bible: Ancient Jewish Writings Related to Scripture

1 Enoch (online)

"Some events do take place but are not true; other are--although they never occurred." Elie Wiesel, Legends of Our Time, page viii

"In literature... certain things are true though they didn't happen, while others are not, even if they did." Quoted in: Frederick L. Downing, Elie Wiesel: A Religious Biography, page 121

[45] And when the forty days were ended, the Most High spoke to me, saying, "Make public the twenty-four books that you wrote first and let the worthy and the unworthy read them; [46] but keep the seventy that were written last, in order to give them to the wise among your people. [47] For in them is the spring of understanding, the fountain of wisdom, and the river of knowledge." (4 Ezra 14:45-47)

Josephus, Against Apion 1.38-42 [1:8]

Verses Mentioned:

  • Laura Lee says:

    When people say God was just an idea to base good stories on, I wonder why they bother with the stories. When their entire lives are centered around that kind of explanation of all things, I feel awful for them, but really, let’s get to reality at some point. would really like to get a look at the Aramaic fragments, if they show online anywhere? Thanks, no offense intended.

  • Birhanu Alemayehu says:

    The book of Enoch origin is here in Ethiopia. By the way the Ethiopian Orthodox church have her own bible which is already included book of Enoch. But the others christian fellows they didn’t accept or not included in their bible book of Enoch. I don’t know why they not included.If any who know about this reason please, can mention an idea.

    • Rion Clark says:

      The book of Enoch has Jubilee date errors with history in Gen. Other types of errors if you believe Gen.(Brashyt) is correct. There are other bits of information that is not in the bible. That appear to be truth. Just need to be careful. This is my opinion I do not trust any religion of myself. Until proven by the tanach. Even then I will listen to others knowing men error also there is always more to learn.

  • Mario Greco says:

    I really enjoyed this podcast about the true source of the book of Enoch.

    So what about the book of Jasher.
    We see two scriptures in the Bible stating the book of Jasher:

    [Jos 10:13 NKJV] So the sun stood still, And the moon stopped, Till the people had revenge Upon their enemies. [Is] this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go [down] for about a whole day.

    [2Sa 1:18 NKJV] and he told [them] to teach the children of Judah [the Song of] the Bow; indeed [it is] written in the Book of Jasher:

    Is there truly a book of Jasher where there is only some verses or chapters that are authentic and the rest has been tampered just like the book of Enoch?

    I have not read the book of Jasher yet, however, I was told that there was a story in the book of Jasher of Abraham speaking with Ishmael about his tent peg meaning his wife. I guess that’s the way someone try to explain to me.

    What is the book of Jasher?

  • I’ve learned Elohim are Heaven’s armies (the “Hosts”) where Yehovah is kind of Captain or Admiral (“Yehovah Tzevaot”) and His angels are His troopers and servants. Sounds like Star Wars! 😉 The “original one” ha ha! This topic reminds me of another Hebrew Voices regarding the UFO Jews in Israel. In some way I admire Raelian Jews because they are open minded and know how to use solemn thinking / imagination and they don’t try to put God in a box. They may have some New Age / UFO thinking in their theology and I don’t agree on everything with them. But they are correct about Yehovah being one of the Elohim together with the angels. This is clear concept in the Scriptures. Except Yehovah is not 25,000 years old being from another galaxy or some sort but eternal Creator. God the Father who summoned the Light in the beginning.

    Shabbat Shalom in the Father of Lights!

  • Karen says:

    I watched a video that said El means God and Elohem means God’s plural is this true?

    • El and Elohim are unrelated words. The singular of Elohim is Eloah. The plural of El is Elim. All four words appear in the Tanakh:
      El (mighty one/ god) > Elim (mighty ones/ gods)
      Eloah (judge/ god) > Elohim (judges/ gods/ Great God)