Hebrew Voices #123 - Camp Ephraim Sukkot

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Chris: We don’t know exactly necessarily, are we descendants of one of the 10 tribes, or are we just like Ruth, just like grafted in. It doesn’t matter, it’s just one law, just one people. It’s just one Elohim, and that’s what we can experience right here in the sukkah.

Nehemia: Shalom, this is Nehemia Gordon, and I'm coming to you today from northern Jerusalem, where there is an encampment of people who have come on the pilgrimage to Jerusalem for the Feast of Sukkot. I'm here with Chris Günther. Shalom, Chris.

Chris: Shalom, Nehemia.

Nehemia: Chris, what are you and your people doing here in Jerusalem, camping out on Sukkot?

Chris: We believe we're doing what we're supposed to be doing during this time; come to Jerusalem for the time that is appointed, mo'ed, and just rejoice, because we're commanded to rejoice in the place that He chose.

Nehemia: Now, are you and most of the people here Jewish? What is your background and how did you get here?

Chris: Most of us can't prove that we've got any Jewish inheritance, but we feel in our hearts this is what we are to do, because we were following a Rabbi by the name of Yeshua that taught us to obey the Torah. And Torah says to come here three times a year. So, that is what we're doing.

Nehemia: How did you get here? This is an incredible story. You actually live in northern Israel. Most of the people here don't even live in Israel, is that right?

Chris: That's right, yeah.

Nehemia: Okay, but you live in northern Israel. And you and this group of people started out in northern Israel and you walked here. Tell us about this. Why did you walk here, how, and what was it like? What was this experience?

Chris: Well, the group of people that walked with me was my wife and our five children. And after doing that last year from Zichron Yaakov, we thought we can… We walked two weeks last year, and this year we only walked one week, from Shkhem. Shkhem is the place where the ancestors, the northern tribes of Israel said, “It's too much to go to Jerusalem, and everybody to his own tents. What part do we have in David?” So, that's already rejecting the future Mashiakh, the future Messiah, right off the bat. And we thought that needs to be made clear that Yeshua came to kind of free us from this lie, and to repent from this lie and come back and do teshuva, and come back up to Jerusalem, to Yerushalayim.

Nehemia: So, part of what you're saying, I think, is that you see the 10 tribes of the northern kingdom who rejected the Davidic lineage, that is Rehoboam and his descendants who rejected the Davidic King, you see them as your ancestors, in a way, those 10 tribes. Is that right?

Chris: That is absolutely correct, that's right. That's what we see. We have the promise that was even made to Moshe from Elohim, “If you obey this law that I give to you,” and He gave us a choice right there in Shkhem where we started walking, “to choose between the blessings and the curses.” And He says, “If you choose the blessings, I will bless you in the land. If not, I will scatter you among all the nations. But even from there, I will gather you back.” And that's exactly where Yeshua sent his disciples, to gather them back from all the corners of the world. And of course, he's gathering lost sheep, that's what he said he came for, the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

And there's people like Ruth that have no relationship. There was this one lady that said, “Can you heal my daughter?” And he says, “It's not good to give the bread for the children to the dog.” So, he called the nations “dogs,” but to every good sheepfold, what does the shepherd rely on? A good shepherd dog, or if it's a big sheepfold, it's a few dogs. And they've got the sheep heart, they're not the ones that kill the sheep. They're the ones that protect the sheep.

And in Isaiah 56 it says they even have a higher esteem than sons and daughters. The ones that come and obey Torah and keep Shabbat and adhere to the commandments, they have a higher esteem, because like the dog and the sheepfold, they can keep the sheep together, and they have a relationship to the shepherd, and they have like a sheep identity. And so, we don't know exactly necessarily, are we descendants of one of the 10 tribes, or are we just like Ruth, just like grafted in. It doesn't matter, just one law, just one people. It’s just one Elohim, and that's what we can experience right here in the sukkah.

Nehemia: I love that we're sitting here in a sukkah in northern Jerusalem, and you're preaching Isaiah 56. You're talking about these people who are coming from all over the world. And how many nations are represented here? You're German, right?

Chris: Yes.

Nehemia: How many nations are represented in this encampment?

Chris: Okay, well, what do we have? South Africa, and Switzerland, and we have Finland and what do we have? The US, and we have Germany more, and we have Poland, and Holland.

Nehemia: So, you have people from all over the world. I was in one of the other encampments and I met a lady from Korea. Just people from all over the world who feel in a way, I guess, that they're drawn to the God of Israel and to the land of Israel. Tell me about that, ‘cause, I mean, there's over a billion Christians in the world and they're not here. What sets you apart that made you want to come here to Jerusalem? I mean, we're gonna do a walk around later, and you'll show me some of the things here. But they're in tents here and we're in this actual sukkah here, more of a traditional-style sukkah. And you have this… very basic conditions of showers and bathrooms. What made you want to come here and do that?

Chris: You're saying it right. We're in tents. We make a joke, it is intense. It is intense.

Nehemia: Does that joke work in German?

Chris: I don't know. But anyways, what brings us here is exactly what's written in Yekhezkel 36, Ezekiel 36:27 where it says, Elohim speaking, “I will make you walk in my statutes and my ordinances again.” And He says, “It's not for your namesake, it’s for My namesake,” He says. So, He does this, He brings us back home, He puts this desire on our heart. He has written that on our heart, Torah. And it's like, if we don't do it, we starve. We need to be here. We come here. We feel like people might have come here like me and my wife during Sukkot in 2001 shortly after 9/11, and we have put our feet on this ground and I turned to her... You know, we’d just been married for a day, and I turned to her, I said...

Nehemia: For literally one day?

Chris: One day, literally. We got married during Sukkot.

Nehemia: Oh, wow.

Chris: So, they closed the airport in Tel Aviv, no planes could go. We were on our way to our honeymoon, and they said, “No, you can't go.” So then, from the phone booth we booked a new flight, and we came anyways. And I said to my wife, “I don't know what it is, but I feel like I've come home.” And I thought, “Okay, she might think, you know, ‘Whom did I get? Who's that guy? I thought I know him,’” as I know my wife. But it was such a surprise to me to feel like I've come home. And then we found out why, and then there's a homesickness to come again and to be here. I think it's just the genetics that kind of kick in and whatever, I don't know. Abba is putting it on our hearts. And even I heard that He can change our genetics through that, what He writes on our heart. I heard people saying it, I don't know.

Nehemia: Well, okay, you brought in the genetic aspect, but you also said you don't know if you're physically descended from the 10 tribes, or if you're like Ruth, and in that sense, would you say then you're spiritually descended from the 10 tribes? Help me put this in a framework I can understand.

Chris: I think Isaiah 56 put it quite nicely. Paul talks about “grafted in.” It's like one trunk and the trees... But in the end, we all need to produce the same fruit. It’s the fruit of the spirit, but we're literally in one house, in one kingdom, under one king, there's no division anymore. Like it was when Moshe took the people out and was given one law, and it was for the stranger and for the same law. So, we're one, and we're just finding out how we're one. In the sukkah and doing Pesach together with people. We share with our Jewish neighbors here. We share. They say, “Who are you?” And then they find out, and we say, “Well, we do believe that not Schneerson is the Mashiakh, but we believe Yeshua is the Mashiakh.” Some say, “It's nice that you shared with me,” and they go off. Others say, “It doesn't matter to me, I'm rejoicing with you in this feast, and what can we bring? How can we help?” And this is how we get together. Our Jewish neighbors here had the sukkah on the roof, and they give us water. One gives us water, the other gives us electricity, the other comes and says, “Can I bring anything else, like water, juice, wine, Vodka?”

Nehemia: I love that Jews from this area are coming to join with you, in a sense, or to fellowship with you, and participate with you on the common ground of the commandments of the Torah, even if they don't have the same understanding about who the Mashiakh is, whether he's come, or he'll come again, but they're finding the common ground. This is what I love. I love people coming together on common ground, in the light of the Creator of the universe to keep His Torah. This touches my heart. This is why I wanted to come and talk to you. This really touches my heart.

Chris: And we're so blessed by ushpizin. They come from all corners, from all understandings.

Nehemia: Tell the people who don't know what ushpizin is.

Chris: Can you help us out?

Nehemia: Ushpiz is an Aramaic word that means "visitors.” But it also refers to this idea, that if you build a sukkah that angels will come and visit your sukkah and give you a blessing. And there's a famous movie, one of my favorite movies of all time, called “Ushpizin.”

Chris: We watched it, yeah.

Nehemia: You watched it? Well, it's about these guys who come and visit and they're not exactly angels, they are actually criminals. But because they're treated with the hospitality of Abraham, that is, they're treated as guests and treated with respect and dignity, the way you're supposed to treat a guest. Therefore, the people get a blessing anyway, even though these are criminals, and they're not the typical angelic guests. And I love that the people here, as you're coming to their city... And literally, you showed me a thing where you have a giant water container with 1,000 liters. Tell us what happened with that.

Chris: Well, we knew that we would have a challenge. People need to shower, and we've got camping toilets and we want to wash hands. And so, we just brought an empty container and we set it up, trusting that the Father would provide the water, we didn't know where it would come from. And we just went and asked. We would have asked the next neighbor, but the first one we asked right away... Actually, it was the second one. The first one gave us the electricity afterwards.

Nehemia: Wow. So, he filled it up, 1,000 liters of water, in a country…

Chris: And he said, “No, no, leave the money. Leave it out. This is a mitzvah for me.”

Nehemia: Wow, and you have to understand. In Israel, this is a country where water is metered very carefully. They actually charge you for the water, at least in Jerusalem, based on the number of people living in your apartment. If you have more people, you get to have more water at the reduced rate. And so, here this man giving you 1,000 liters of water is no trivial thing. That's kind of a big deal in Israel.

Chris: It is. And that's how we say that... Abraham, he had the faith, but it was given, it was put in his heart. The faith that he acted out and he acted upon was given, put into his heart. And this is a miracle to ourselves, like how we get here. We come here. People came here not knowing where they would be. We didn't know if we would have a place.

Nehemia: Wait, so you have people coming from all over the world, and you literally don't know where you're going to camp out?

Chris: That's exactly the case, yeah. But the Father showed us this place just as we came here. Three days before we came to the city, we found out that the place that we had asked for was not available. And so, we were hanging in there and just like, “Okay, we saw this place last Pesach and it worked for our family,” so we scouted a little more. We knew people from the last years and we did it in a public place in Gan HaAtsmaut in the midst of Jerusalem. So, now we're actually spreading out, we're having two camps right now. We're one, but it appears as two. So, there's room to grow, and we want to see if there's an open door for this coming Pesach to come here again.

Nehemia: Wow, this is incredible. You know, you mentioned about being grafted in, and I've shared in the past there's an interpretation in Genesis. In one of the blessings to Abraham it says, “Venivrekhu vekha kol mishpekhot ha'adama. “And in you will be blessed all the nations of the land.” And one of the rabbinical interpretations of that verb, “venivrekhu” is that it means to “graft in.” There's an image there, where they would take one branch and attach it to another branch at an angle, and it formed something that looks like a knee. And the word “barakh,” “blessing,” also can mean “knee.” It actually literally means knee. And this is a fact, that in Hebrew of the Second Temple period, to levarekh or lehavrikh meant to graft in. And so, this interpretation was, “In you will be blessed all the nations of the earth" could also possibly mean, or was at least interpreted to mean, "And in you will be grafted in all the nations of the earth.”

So, to me, this is incredible that I'm here, seeing people from all over the world as a fulfillment of this prophecy to Abraham. And we're sitting here in a tent, like Abraham's tent, with this hospitality of Abraham all around us. This is such an incredible thing to me. This is prophecy being literally true and literally fulfilled.

Chris: Yeah, and that's such a blessing to us, too, and it's only the beginning. And you're talking about the knee. It reminds me of a friend that helped us build our sukkah last year, and he always says, “We need to stay flexible, as his people.” He always said, “God's people are a moving people.” He says, “We need to stay flexible, especially in the knees,” which means we need to get on our knees at times and pray.

Nehemia: Yeah, I'm working on my flexibility, but I definitely get on my knees. So, you're here in this camp. How many people are here, approximately?

Chris: We stopped doing headcounts, really. It's enough to know that there's many nations, and that's exactly what is prophesied in Zechariah, people from all nations would come. And those that come it will rain over them. Those that won't come in the future when Mashiakh reigns won't have rain.

Nehemia: Can you read us that verse? You have a Bible here. I think some of the people aren't familiar with it. Is this your German Bible? Okay, read it in German, or maybe if you could translate on the fly into English, that would be great.

Chris: Yeah, I'll try that. Okay, Zechariah.

Nehemia: What verse are you reading?

Chris: 14:16.

Nehemia: 14:16.

Chris: Yeah. “And it will be that all those that have remained from all the nations that came against Jerusalem. Year after year, they will come up to pray to praise the king, Yehovah, Tzevaot, and to celebrate the Feast of Sukkot.” And it goes on in 17, “And those that won't come up to do this, to pray to this King, there will be no rain.”

Nehemia: Guys, I'm sitting here with... I'm getting emotional. I'm sitting here with a German man, who 70 years ago, the German people came to destroy the Jews. And it says here about those, “They came against Jerusalem.” And then, instead of coming to destroy God's people, they're going to come up to Jerusalem for Sukkot, and here I am with the man. I mean, guys, this is literally true. This is prophecy. So, Chris, can people come and join you in future years and camp out here and participate with you in this?

Chris: Well, absolutely. We're happy for everyone that comes and joins, that is of the understanding that this is what Abba wants him to do, and he's prepared to do what Abba calls him to do. He's leading us back to simple, and He wants to prepare us for times ahead, so this is a great boot camp. It's a great opportunity to get together, get to know each other, get to trust each other, and get to your limits and beyond.

Nehemia: So, how can people find out more about this if they want to contact you? What's the website? Where can they learn more about this?

Chris: There's a website called www.campephraim.org, and there's email register at campephraim.org. So, there's a way to get in contact. And we found out when we came here that this is a place where we can be, and we hope we'll be here again. So, be prepared for the cloud to move, to take up and move again and be prepared for Father to provide.

Nehemia: Guys, if you decide to come here, I think this really is stepping out on faith, because this man is walking from Shkhem and doesn't know where he's going to arrive, if he's gonna even be allowed to stay here, how long he's going to be allowed to stay here. So, this is really a stepping out on faith experience. You're not going to have the five-star hotel, I don't even know if it's considered a one-star hotel.

Chris: A thousand-star hotel.

Nehemia: A thousand-star hotel. And the Creator said to Abraham, “Your descendants will be as the sand of the sea and the stars for a multitude.” And they are now camping out under those stars, the people who call themselves “Ephraim” in this camp. You could contact them. Wow, that's incredible, an incredible opportunity, guys. And who knows how long this opportunity will be there. And you actually told me that you're going to be doing this over Passover as well, not just Sukkot.

Chris: That's right, Passover and Sukkot we're here, and Shavuot possibly, too. But yes, we're in the city.

Nehemia: Amazing. Can we meet your wife and children?

Chris: Yes. Anke, yeladim. Come quickly.

Nehemia: What is your name?

David: David.

Nehemia: Does he speak Hebrew? Ekh kor'im lekha?

David: David.

Chris: Shmuel. David Shmuel.

Nehemia: Ben Kama ata? Ben Arba. Ve'ekh kor'im lakh? What is your name?

Noa: Noa.

Nehemia: My niece is named Noa. What is your name?

Rut: Rut.

Nehemia: Rut? Rut, bat kama at?

Rut: Sheva.

Nehemia: Bat sheva. Be'eyzeh kita at?

Rut: Gimmel.

Nehemia: She wasn't sure, she's in third grade. Can you say something, ma'am?

Anke: My name is Anke, and it's just a blessing to be here, to be in the land, to be in Yerushalayim for the feast.

Nehemia: Here we are sitting with these folks, these German folks whose children speak Hebrew, who’ve come to love the God of Israel and the people of Israel, and be part of His covenant. This is such a fulfillment of prophecy. Halleluyah.

Chris: Next year in Jerusalem.

Nehemia: Bashanah haba'ah biYrushalayim habenuyah. Next year in the rebuilt Jerusalem.

Chris: Amen.

Nehemia: Okay, we're going to see some of the tents of the people staying here. Yael and Amy are gonna show us their tent. So, what brought you ladies together to camp out here in the wilderness, in Jerusalem, essentially, in what's almost like a park here? What are you doing here?

Amy: It's told in Scripture that we have to come to represent the nations.

Nehemia: What was your main motivation for coming here?

Woman: To fulfill the commands.

Nehemia: ‘Cause your mom told you to.

Yael: Well, we're just blessed to be here in the place where Yehovah put His name.

Nehemia: Amen. All right, So, tell us who you are and what you're doing here.

Freddy: I'm Freddy from Finland. Swedish-speaking Finn, kind of like the Druze in Israel. I came here to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles, Sukkot, again. I did it the first time 1992, and I've done it almost every year since. I missed a few.

Nehemia: And have you been in a tent every year, or is this a new thing for you?

Freddy: I bumped into Chris and the gang in the center of Jerusalem two years ago, and I felt like, “Wow, what is this?” And it was good.

Nehemia: And here you are, show us your tent.

Freddy: Who cares about five-star hotels when we’ve got millions? This is my luxury inn. I can have this tent on my own, and they provided it for me. I didn't know where to come. I didn't know the location. I didn't know hardly anything, but I just felt. It's like a DNA. It's like blood pumping that I need to get back to Jerusalem. I feel more home here than back home, honestly.

Nehemia: We're here in the middle of the city, essentially, next to a major road, and we have houses back here. This is an Arab neighborhood, this is a Jewish neighborhood on our left, and this is sort of like a park in the city, a pretty big park. And they've just set up camp here, it's just incredible.

Freddy: It's wonderful. I thought a year ago that this was once in a lifetime experience, but it seems to be more.

Nehemia: Twice in a lifetime.

Freddy: At least.

Nehemia: May it be every year in the rebuilt Jerusalem.

Freddy: Yes. I feel at home here.

Nehemia: It happens without fail, that when I turn off the recorder, then people say the best stuff. And so, Chris crouches down here to tell me something, whisper something in my ear, and I said, “No, no, no, this has to be on the recording.” Chris, what were you saying?

Chris: Okay, well, there was a place that the Father had called us to come before, and that's to Shiloh, and people refused to come. And then there's this story where this one man comes with Penina and Hannah, what was his name?

Nehemia: Elkanah.

Chris: Elkanah.

Nehemia: This is the story that's the beginning of 1 Samuel, and you're talking about the Tabernacle at Shiloh. And some people came to Shiloh, but other people said, “I have a place here in Dan where we have an altar, and we have another altar in Ofra. Why would we go all the way to Shiloh? It's so far, we'll just stick with what we got here in our own place.” And so, you're saying this is essentially a picture, maybe, of what's happening.

Chris: Yeah.

Nehemia: And then you had a verse that you started to quote to me.

Chris: Well, yeah, there's the prayer that's a prayer of sorts for the Jewish people, and it's the prayer of Hannah. And she starts out saying this... You wanna read this?

Nehemia: So, this is a t-shirt someone made, and this t-shirt, hold it up, has the verse of Hannah's prayer. And she says, “Rakhav pi al oyvay.” “Widen my mouth against my enemy,” “ki samakhti biyshu'atekha,” “for I have rejoiced in your salvation.” “Yehovah memit umekhayeh,” “Yehovah, the One who makes dead and makes alive, who brings to life,” “morid she'ol vaya'al,” “He brings down to she'ol and He brings back up.” So, this is death and resurrection. “Veyiten oz lemalko,” “And He will give oz, might, to His king,” “veyarem keren meshikho,” “and He will raise up the horn of His anointed one, of His Mashiakh.” It's right there in 1 Samuel. That's the prayer that Hannah prayed at Shiloh, and Eli saw her praying this and he thought she was drunk because she was moving her lips, but he couldn't hear any sound from her mouth.

Chris: Coming out of this was Shmuel, Samuel...

Nehemia: Samuel, who's then anointed...

Chris: Yeah, wait, wait, wait.

Nehemia: I'm jumping the gun. We're getting too excited here.

Chris: Samuel said, “Should I really do what the people asked me to do?” And what does Yehovah, Elohim answer him? He says, “They have not rejected you. They have rejected Me as their King.” So, it's all about this rejection, the people rejecting the King. And this is exactly in the continuation. You know, then it's the promise that the kingdom would not be taken from David. And then our forefathers said, “No, we have no part in David.” So then, somebody came. He comes to them first. “A light has shone in the dark.” And even before, came an angel to Miriam and he said, “The one that will be born will be King of the house of David forever.” And there was this one instance when the kingdom was split. Bear with me.

Nehemia: Yeah, I'm with you.

Chris: When the kingdom was split, it was one of the descendants of David that knew exactly about the prophecy that the kingship would not fail, the crown would not fail to continue within the house of David. It was his grandson, I believe Avia was his name.

Nehemia: Avia haShiloni, Abijah the Shilonite.

Chris: With 400,000 men he opposed the first king of the north, Jeroboam, with 800,000 people, and he would tell him, “Halo lakhem lada'at,” “Should you not know that the kingdom has been given to the house of David forever.” So, he knew about that. And it's forever, and that's exactly the promise that was made by the angel to Miriam. And then the King was born, and then the rest is just playing out now before our eyes. But Hannah prayed a prayer that was instrumental in this. And when the disciples asked Yeshua their last question ever, they said, “Is this the time that you will restore the kingdom?” He answered them with… all the Bibles that I’ve found say lo lakhem lada'at. I believe a hey went lost somewhere...

Nehemia: Really, “Lo lakhem lada'at” is, “Not for you to know,” and you understand it as?

Chris: It really is a quotation from this… what Avia said to Rehavam, “Is it not for you to know,” and it goes on about the times and the seasons, but it's right about the restoration between them.

Nehemia: So, where do you stick that hey? How do you read it, or how do you think it should be understood? “Halo lakhem lada'at?”

Chris: Yes.

Nehemia: Oh, as a question. So that's what we call the interrogative hey, the “hey hashe'ela,” okay. “Halo lakhem lada'at?” “Do you not know?” essentially.

Chris: Yes, should you not know. What you're asking for, should you not know better that this can't be the time of the restoration, because the time of restoration will not be during Shavuot. It will be during Sukkot.

Nehemia: The part that excites me about this and that I connect with is Hannah prayed this prayer, and she's saying, “I rejoice in your salvation.” And speaking about his Messiah's horn, that is the symbol of might, there’s the Messiah. Also, it's the horn that he anoints with oil. It was a horn filled with oil, they’d pour on the man's head. The first one he did it to was Saul, Shaul, and then God chose another, He chose David.

Chris: After his own heart.

Nehemia: And it was Shmuel, the son of that woman who was praying there, who came and poured the oil over David's head and it was his line that forever would be chosen. I think, here's the common ground for me that we have. We are both looking forward to that Messiah who will come and reign here on earth, gather in the exiles of all 12 tribes, bring peace to the world, and we will live forever beating our swords into plowshares, and just forever in peace under his reign. Amen.

Chris: There's someone that wants to steal that away, and he's gonna be like Avshalom.

Nehemia: Now he's preaching. Come on.

Chris: It could have been him, but he couldn't because he tried to do it by force. And it says about Avshalom that he stole the hearts of the Israelites. And he really made a conspiracy, and he took 200 people with him to crown him King. And then when it happened, King David fled, and he even took the Ark of the Covenant with him, but then he sent two Priests back. And the two Priests, I believe, represent the two witnesses that has been talked about in the Scripture.

Nehemia: In the Book of Revelation.

Chris: Yes. But he fled to a place called Makhanayim.

Nehemia: The two camps.

Chris: Exactly. And that's the place, actually, where Esau invited his brother Jacob to come, and what did Jacob say? He said, “I will come in my time.” He did it, but there's a prophecy about that, so he fled to that place. I think there's a prophetic...

Nehemia: I haven't heard that connection, that's interesting. It's interesting, so we have this usurper, Avshalom, who steals the heart of the people, and how does he do it? They come with their court cases to him for years and he tells them not the truth, but what they want to hear.

Chris: Exactly.

Nehemia: And he wins them over with that.

Chris: And what he says is, “If I was king, I would give ear to you. But you go to the king and he doesn't have no ear for you.” And this is exactly like a prophetic uttering there. He says that about a situation that happened later, when Rehavam, the son of Shlomo was king. And that's exactly what's written there. He didn't give ear to the people, so then they decided to depart. And there's also another precursor to that when David came back after he fled. It was the northern tribes that received him first. And then they say like, “What part do we have in David?” That's the thing. That's where it occurred first.

Nehemia: Okay.

Chris: Yeah.

Nehemia: So, this is when he comes back from Avshalom, you’re saying it was the 10 tribes who accepted him first?

Chris: Yeah.

Nehemia: And I'm guessing you're taking this as a prophetic picture of the 10 tribes, as you understand them, accepting David's descendant first?

Chris: No, I didn't even look at that, but you're right.

Nehemia: That's my Karaite midrash.

Chris: I didn't even look at it.

Nehemia: Well, this was great. Thank you so much.

Chris: Thank you, Nehemia.

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