Hebrew Voices #95 – 2300 Days of Hell

In this episode of Hebrew Voices, 2300 Days of Hell, Nehemia Gordon expresses his skepticism as author Joseph Dumond warns about the impending demise of hundreds of millions of people beginning in 2020. They discuss Jewish and Christian interpretations of Daniel's Messianic prophecy, ancient Aramaic tombstones that may reveal the true timing of Sabbatical years, and the many conundrums involved in deciphering chronological calculations. Guy Wilson “An honest to goodness instructional debate, most refreshing.”

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Sources Mentioned:
Lev 25
Mishnah Torah – Sabbatical Year and the Jubilee 10:5-6
2 Kings 19:29
1 Maccabees 6:49
Daniel 9:24-27
Psalm 22
Daniel 8:13-14
Lev 23
Lev 19 Sabbatical Year
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Genesis 41
Revelation 6:5-6
Jewish tombstone from Zoar leads one to question the current Rabbinical counting of the Shemitah cycle.

69 thoughts on “Hebrew Voices #95 – 2300 Days of Hell

  1. I appreciate the desire for Truth that Joseph has, and I was with him up to a point, and continued to give him the benefit of the doubt – but respectfully, I must point out some things as it sure seems he has compounded some errors and gone off on a tangent. Not every mention of ‘weeks’ in the Tanakh can be explained or decoded by Daniel’s 70 sevens riddle. Michael Rood’s “The Chronological Gospels” does a great job disproving the three and one-half years ministry of Yeshua in the introduction of that landmark work. Additionally, it uncovers the actual prophesy of the 70 sevens, how the Most Holy (Ark) got anointed, and when. Regarding the Ten Lost Tribes, there is a ton of anecdotal evidence about certain groups that have gravitated into the English speaking world of today – but it can’t be proven or known by man as there is no baseline YDNA known to exist from the patriarchs of those male offspring of Jacob, and no written authentic histories exist to my knowledge. Whomever their descendants are, it’s no Claim to Fame – but rather a NAME OF SHAME if they do not come back to YeHoVaH and leave false religions to the dead past that they are. In a number of places Joseph went ‘A Bridge Too Far’, but I loved his summation! He got back on track with the message he originally started with, the one Ron Wyatt had as well as myself and so many others – and they echo the message of the Neviim (prophets) in the Tanakh! Love the Father/Creator by doing Justice according to His Instructions, Show Mercy to your fellow human beings, and Walk Humbly before YHVH. I appreciate the courage of NG and JD – YeHoVaH bless!

    • … and by the way, Yeshua’s message was also the same as the Neviim with additional ‘tips’ or ‘Be Attitudes’ for keeping Torah.

  2. dumong’s view that jesus was יהוה and god the father was off in heaven was armstrong’s teaching. this is disproved many times in isaiah where יהוה says ‘and no other’. mark 12:29 where jesus recites the shema שְׁמַע, יִשְׂרָאֵל: יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ, יְהוָה אֶחָד…shows he didn’t believe there is a god the father and he, jesus, was his son.

  3. Shalom,
    Nehemiah asked that anyone leave a comment which shows that Daniel 9 was believed to be above the Messiah prior to 2nd century AD.
    Qumran scroll 11Q13 explicitly refers to the Messiah as Melchizedek, and also the “prince” of Daniel 9.
    I am convinced the Qumran community were legitimate Aaronic priests, and that the Temple priests of the first century (and earlier) were a corrupt order. They were not Essenes. I also am convinced that “John the Baptist” was an esteemed member of that community. Using the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as many other historical evidences, I am very sure that I have worked out the complete Qumran calendar down to the day. This would include the Sabbatical and Jubilee cycles as well. I agree with Joseph Dumond on the Sabbatical cycle. However I disagree with his dates for the Jubilee. I believe the Jubilee would have occurred in 56-57 AD, and would make 2016 the 49th year, and 2017 the Jubilee.
    I don’t have a forum to present everything in right now. If anyone is interested please let me know how I can share this with you. I think you will be astonished at how well the Qurman calendar fits Biblical history, fits Daniel’s 70 7s, and explains the “Passover paradox” in the gospels.

  4. Nehemia, first of all, thank you so much for interviewing Joseph Dumond and not being afraid to broadcast a man with such controversial view points. There are always things to be gleaned from such a conversation. I went to Joseph Dumond’s website afterward and read a few things.
    With that said, I also found that many of his “conclusions” are very far fetched. But he leaves it to us to check it for ourselves – very good.
    I wrote a book myself, with the many things that Yehovah has shown me over the years. I counted up the years from creation until today, as far as I could find numbers in the Scriptures. I got all the way to the decree of Cyrus to rebuild Jerusalem. There I switched to the secular year counting found in history books. I came up with the year 2032 to be the end of the 6th millennium. But I know that this number is not accurate. It can only be an approximation because the year count of the kings of Israel is only by years rounded and not accurate by years plus months. I also wrote about “Who is Israel”, the rapture and so forth – everything backed by Scripture of course. But the crown jewel in my book is the explanation of the “Sacrifices”, which are totally misunderstood in 99.9% of Christianity. For this and many other reasons I am no longer a Christian. But I have not switched over to Judaism either. Both have many traditions contrary to the Bible, as you all very well know.

  5. First, Many Thanks for posting this interview with Joseph Dumond, It was most engaging even if I was a little befuddled by the end of the podcast : )

    Anyway, a few points did stick out that I could wrap my head around…

    1. Mr. Dumond stated that nations like America and Canada were part of the twelve tribes of Israel? No, these are Gentile nations, which may have individuals that are from among the 12 tribes, but that does not make the nations as a whole part of the 12 tribes. This does not preclude the possibility that these nations will be judged in the manner and time-frame that Dumond proposes.

    2. King David ruling the Millennial kingdom before the return of the Messiah (Yeshua)? I agree with Dumond that King David will be resurrected and perhaps even be 𝘢 ruler in the Kingdom. However, in the Christian context, the Messiah will be The Ruler during the Millennial time frame. It is at the end of the 1000 years when what is described as the New Heaven & New Earth epoch begins and the old earth passes away.

    3. The concept of the Rapture was mentioned in passing during the podcast. So, this is more of a question for Mr. Dumond. Does he believe that the New Testament is also scripture? If so, what is his take on the following passages that Christians use to refer to the Rapture?
    1 Corinthians 15:51-53 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

    With that said, I do understand that there are various schools of thought (and much heated debate) over the timing of the Rapture,i.e. Pre, Mid and Post-Tribulation. So if he meant that the Pre-Trib school of thought did not come out until the 18th or 19th century, then I do get that.

    Overall, I must say it is very tempting to date set end of the world scenarios. I have been guilty of embracing this mindset in my own life. The problem is that, as Nehemiah has astutely pointed out, it always ends badly. I would also venture to say, even if Mr. Dumond happens to be right this time, with 2020 being the start of it all hitting the fan, that still does not mean he is correct in the rest of his assertions.

    With that said, I do agree with Mr. Dumond that we are living in the end times, and things are about to get real interesting. I just can’t say when.

    Shalom

  6. “Who can count the dust of Jacob,
    Or number the fourth part of Israel?
    Let me die the death of the upright,
    And let my end be like his!”

    Numbers 23:10

  7. What will Joseph Dumond do after 2020 has come and gone and his false predections are exposed as self-deception? Will he make excuses about his calculations (and set a new date) or will he be true to himself and repent from the misguided efforts of his own imagination?

    Hopefully he will come back on Hebrew Voices and make amends for bringing reproach and ridicule to the Holy Oracles of Yehovah.

    shalom.

    • Good question, not long to go.
      Another question pops into my head whilst reading your post. I wonder how it can be 7 years of plent , at the same time at the whole 12 tribes being destroyed, then, 7 years of famine, aren’t most of the tribes gone? If dumond is paralleling Joseph’s time in Israel the Jews weren’t hurt that way at all??

  8. Daniel 8 is a vision of the Goat and the Ram squaring off, right? And the interpretation is given by an angel, so how is Dumond relating the vision to Moses? Where’s Moses in the Goat or the Ram? Moses isn’t even mentioned in the vision at all.
    Now in Daniel 9 comes the bit about the 70 7s, and Daniel is told that from the going forth to restore and rebuild I Jerusalem is 70 7s, just where was Jerusalem in ruin in Moses day?
    1. The 2300 is period of no function, it is a period of uncleaness, so before that time it was clean, then it becomes unclean and then it’s restored. Where is the temple in its clean stage in jerusalem at Moses day?
    2 having trouble equating Moses in the Goat and Ram vision? Just where is he in that vision.
    3 70 7s are determined upon your people to do things future from Daniels time, notice it doesn’t say 70 7s have been determined, past tense, it’s future tense.

  9. Well…NG, this is the first time that I can say, I turned the channel at time-marker 41:49. Be for sure of this: The not-to-distant future is deadly for those who worship Yehovah, who will resurrect us by Yeshua. As for Psalm 22 and the apostolic/gospel authors, it seems to me that they used a ‘Cliff Notes’ method. So, to include “My God, my God…” is to refer to the entire Psalm as it was exhibited before their eyes in 4D. As for Daniel 9, Yeshua did emphasize that we understand [Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14]. Are we really to think that Acts 15:23-29 is the exact, complete letter written?…or, “after this manner”?

    Let’s not miss the forest for trees.

  10. God revealed the time of the first advent to Daniel. “Seventy weeks,” said the angel, “are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.” Daniel 9:24. – {RR 245.5}

    The Time of Christ’s First Coming Specified

    A day in prophecy stands for a year. See Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6. The 70 weeks, or 490 days, represent 490 years. The prophecy gives a starting point for this period: “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks” (Daniel 9:25)—69 weeks, or 483 years. The command to restore and build Jerusalem by the decree of Artaxerxes Longimanus went into effect in the autumn of 457 b.c. See Ezra 6:14; 7:1, 9. From this time, 483 years extend to the autumn of a.d. 27. According to the prophecy, this period was to reach to the Messiah, the Anointed One. In a.d. 27, at His baptism, Jesus received the anointing of the Holy Spirit (see Acts 4:27; John 1:33), and soon afterward He proclaimed the message, “The time is fulfilled.” Mark 1:15. – {RR 245.6}
    Then, said the angel, “He shall confirm a covenant with many for one week [seven years].” For seven years after the Savior entered on His ministry, the gospel would be preached especially to the Jews—for three and a half years by Christ Himself, and afterward by the apostles. “In the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” Daniel 9:27. In the spring of a.d. 31, Christ, the true Sacrifice, was offered on Calvary. Then the veil of the temple was torn (see Mark 15:38), showing that the time had come for the earthly sacrifices to end. – {RR 245.7}
    The one “week”—seven years—ended in a.d. 34. By the stoning of Stephen the Jews sealed their rejection of the gospel. The disciples “went everywhere preaching the word” (Acts 8:4), and shortly after, Saul the persecutor became Paul the apostle to the Gentiles. – {RR 246.1}
    The prophecies concerning the Savior led the Hebrews to live in a state of constant expectancy. Many believed and “confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.” Hebrews 11:13. The promises repeated through patriarchs and prophets had kept alive the hope of His appearing. – {RR 246.2}
    God had not at first revealed the exact time of the first advent; and even when the prophecy of Daniel made this known, not everyone interpreted the message correctly. – {RR 246.3}
    Century after century passed. Finally there were no more prophets. As the Jews departed from God, hope almost ceased to brighten the future. Those whose faith should have continued strong were ready to exclaim, “The days are prolonged, and every vision fails.” Ezekiel 12:22. But heaven’s council had determined the hour for the coming of Christ. “When the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman.” Galatians 4:4, 5. – {RR 246.4}
    God must give lessons to humanity in the language of humanity. People must hear the Messenger of the covenant in His own temple. The author of truth must separate truth from the chaff of human opinion. God must clearly define the plan of redemption. – {RR 246.5}
    When the Savior finally appeared “in the likeness of men” (Philippians 2:7), Satan could only bruise His heel, while by every act of suffering Christ was bruising the head of His adversary. The anguish that sin has brought was poured into the heart of the Sinless One. Yet Christ was breaking the slavery that had held humanity. Every pang of anguish, every insult, was working out the deliverance of the race. – {RR 246.6}
    If Satan could have gotten Christ to stain His perfect purity by one act or even one thought, the prince of darkness would have triumphed and gained the whole human family. But while Satan could distress, he could not contaminate. He could cause agony, but not defilement. He made the life of Christ one long scene of conflict and trial, yet with every attack he was losing his hold on humanity. – {RR 246.7}
    In Gethsemane and on the cross, our Savior went personally to battle with the prince of darkness. When Christ hung in agony on the cross, then indeed Satan bruised His heel. But that very act was crushing the serpent’s head. Through death Jesus destroyed “him who had the power of death, that is, the devil.” Hebrews 2:14. This act made the plan of salvation secure forever. In death, in rising again, Jesus opened the gates of the grave for all His followers. Our Redeemer has opened the way so that the most sinful, the most needy, the most oppressed and despised, may find access to the Father. – {RR 246.8}

  11. Shalom,

    The Messiah vs. David

    Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

    Conclusion: David is not mentioned , only the slain lamb. David died a good old age…

    He says unto them, How then does David in spirit call him Lord, saying,The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit you on my right hand, till I make yours enemies your footstool?
    Mt 22:43 Mt 22:44

    2Tim 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

    Will David have his place in the resurrection? This almost goes without saying…

  12. I enjoyed this podcast a lot. It was really interesting to see you dig into ancient texts right on the podcast. And, Joseph really did his homework on commonly used prophecies for Yeshua.

    • PRAISE YAHSHUA DON’T GET CONFUSED BY ALL THIS BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS i WILL LEAVE YOU WITH ONE SCRIPTURE HE WHO HAS THE SON HAS THE FATHER HE WHO HAS NOT THE SON HAS NOT THE FATHER. IF YOU DON’T HAVE YAHSHUA YOU ARE LOST. YOCH/JOHN 14 AROUND ABOUT THE 8TH VERSE YAHSHUA SAYS IAM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME. NO BLOOD OF YAHSHUA NO SALVATION PLAIN AND SIMPLE AND NO ONE IS EXEMPTED. THE NEXT PART OF PROPHECY WHICH INCLUDES DANIEL AND REVELATIONS IS THE THIRD TEMPLE LETS SEE THEM DISPUTE THAT HAPPENING. SHALOM.

  13. The conclusions that may be reached from the Sabbatical-Jubilee Years are most disturbing given that 70 years have elapsed since the reformation of Israel as a nation. I have some specific reasons to believe that the years 66/68- 67/69 were the last chance for Israel to observe the Sabbatical-Jubilee Years, and 68/70 was the year for destruction of Jerusalem, the second Yom Kippur, being post the tenth of Jubilees. The previous Jubilee Year, the ninth, would have been 17/19, which seems tentatively related to the Messianic/King-of-Righteousness Advent proposition of years by the Tsadokim Dead Sea Scroll Sect through 11Q13. A brief note concerning the two year calendar discrepancy, if I recall correctly, it was Rashi who noted an anomaly in the reckoning of the years, equating to this amount, in the centuries between the First and Second Exiles, and it was the Romans who certainly altered the calendars about 1600 years ago, seemingly providing the correct compensation. From these premises we may consider events of the modern era. The years 1918-1919 are Sabbatical-Jubilee Years. The 1947 Sabbatical year was the eve of the rebirth of Israel. The 1967 year was the period of the Six Day War, subsequently there was the next set of Sabbatical-Jubilee Years, 1968-1969. Then the present Jubilee Year is 2019, and the previous, 2018, a Sabbatical Year, marks the 70th Israel Anniversary. There are other reasons why I believe this model is likely to be correct but, in the most-blessed name of יהוה, may this be sufficient for now.

    • Yes great observation, I tend to agree. I’m looking at the 70 years just completed by Israel as the 70 years referred to in zachariah, and the question is popped straight afterwards, and exactly in the 24th on the month of sebat. That falls on jan Feb each year, we will see what develops in regard to measuring the temple and boundaries of Jerusalem. But in actuality there’s nothing we can do other than make oneself ready for the approaching day. I just don’t subscribe to 90% of the western world being destroyed, there are scriptures that counter that also. And salvation by keeping Torah well we know salvation is free, to keep the Torah is a blessing for sure. I find dumonds end time apocalyptic view hard to swallow.

  14. Many in the past have tried to calculate the times, most recently Harold Camping which was positively sure of his end times calculations (twice). And Daniel Lee (false prophet)

    Even Sir Isaac Newton tried in his “Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel”. He set a date of 2060.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/newton_isaac/prophecies/daniel10.cfm

    It appears everyone interprets the same information differently and failed every time. In so doing they have given great occasion to enemies of The Holy One of Israel. Bringing reproach and ridicule to the Holy Oracles of Yehovah.

    As for me I will continue to obey His voice, walk in His ways, seek His face, delight in doing his will.

  15. Oh my. I don’t know what to think. I do remember that the nail piercing was not the ‘definitive’ proof that Yehoshua/Yeshua was who he was…it was the Resurrection that showed that Yehovah had accepted His sacrifice as a sufficient atonement for our sin by raising Yeshua from the dead. King David himself prophesied about that in Psalm 16:7-11 which in itself indicates that King David could not have been the promised Messiah.

    Ps 16:7-11

    7 I will bless the Yehovah who has counseled me;
    Indeed, my mind instructs me in the night.
    8 I have set the Yehovah continually before me;
    Because He is at my right hand, I will not be shaken.
    9 Therefore my heart is glad and my glory rejoices;
    My flesh also will dwell securely.
    10 For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol;
    Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.
    11 You will make known to me the path of life;
    In Your presence is fullness of joy;
    In Your right hand there are pleasures forever.
    NASU

  16. It seems to me that the numbers game is ruling. Having authority over numbers and you’ve got people’s attention. I never get over what people will believe. All these figures and events are wrapped around each other which people then read into it and believe it is the new gospel. Dummond does not make any sense to me. I don’t feel I have to run the numbers/dates of events to understand what is truth. I have been told what is truth. Yeshua declared what he said and did is the Truth. I don’t have to look all around up and down for truth.

    As far as Yahovah being both Father acting as the son, I’ve heard this “teaching” before and I totally disagree. Then who was he praying to in Gethsemane himself? It Clearly states in the epistles that Father and Son are two distinct entities. What binds them together is the SPIRIT only. They are ONE in the SPIRIT ONLY. The Flesh profits nothing. God is Spirit! Yeshua stated this fact over and over. A modern day cliche would be: “They’re both on the same page.” They are co-eternally together by the Spirit. Many people do not understand this fact and they will believe any interpretation. That’s just history,

    Paul states in 1Cor 15:22-28 that everyone will be resurrected in their own order.When Yeshua, the Son, completes his mission having been given all the authority of Heaven and Earth, he will at that time return the Kingdom to the Father and he himself will be subject to the Father. To me, it is so simple and stress less. When people try to fit all the pieces together they get crazy in their findings and then their ego takes over convincing themselves they’ve found the answers. Relax more and believe the Truth. No one was meant to know everything. If they were, what is the point of faith? Knowledge was only given by Almighty God on a need-to-know basis. That’s been proven with John/Baptist and ALL other Biblical characters. They never knew everything. Remember what God said to Job. “Where were you Job when I laid the foundation of the earth? I didn’t see you there! But since you’re such a know-it-all, stand up like a man and declare what you think you know.” In order words, it’s way over your head, Job. I believe man has reduced God to his image. Nehemia, Intellect has nothing to do with understanding Almighty God nor His Son. It is a spiritual endeavor.

    • Agreed.
      In Daniel 7 of all places, we see, the Ancient of Days and One like the son of man coming in the clouds in the days of these kings. There we clearly see two.
      Michael Heiser has a great lecture on the two powers….

    • Well said Yvonne. Here is a “numbers game” you may find amazing I surely did in the book of John HE THE SON stated 42 TIMES that THE FATHER sent ME!!! WOW For that to be referenced 42 times in one it must be VERY IMPORTANT!!!

    • PRAISE YAHSHUA ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS FOR ME. WHO MARRIED YISRAEL AT SINAI? WAS IT NOT YAHWEH? WHO IS THE BRIDE? IS IT NOT YISRAEL? IS YAHSHUA THE BRIDE GROOM? THE SCRIPTURE SAYS HE IS. IF YAHWEH IS THE BRIDE GROOM OF YISRAEL THEN HOW IS YAHSHUA NOT YAHWEH IF HE IS THE BRIDEGROOM? IF YAHWEH IS THE FATHER AND YAHSHUA THE SON THEN WHICH IS THE BRIDEGROOM. OR CAN THE SON MARRY THE FATHERS BRIDE? THE LAST QUESTION HAS AN OBVIOUS ANSWER AND THAT IS NO.AND YES WE KNOW THAT THE MARRIAGE COVENANT IS SPIRITUAL BUT i DON’T THINK THAT CHANGES WHO THE BRIDEGROOM MUST BE. YAHSHUA’S DEATH AFFORDED A RE-NEWED COVENANT WITH YISRAEL. AND YES NEHEMIAH THERE ARE TWO HOUEES OF YISRAEL THE SCRIPTURE PLAINLY SPELLS THAT OUT. THE PRODICAL IS A PICTURE OF THAT. HOSHEA SAYS YOUR SISTER YEHUDAH TWO SISTERS/TWO HOUSES. SHALOM.

  17. Joseph Dumond says that Yeshua is Yehovah. He should read what Shaul says;
    1Co 15:21 For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a Man.
    1Co 15:22 For as all die in Aḏam, so also all shall be made alive in Messiah.
    1Co 15:23 And each in his own order: Messiah the first-fruits, then those who are of Messiah at His coming,
    1Co 15:24 then the end, when He delivers up the reign to Elohim the Father, when He has brought to naught all rule and all authority and power.
    1Co 15:25 For He (YESHUA) has to reign until He (YEHOVAH) has put all enemies under His (YESHUA) feet.
    1Co 15:26 The last enemy to be brought to naught is death.
    1Co 15:27 For “He (YEHOVAH)has put all under His (YESHUA) feet.” Psa 8:6 But when He says “all are put under Him (YESHUA),” it is clear that He (YEHOVAH)who put all under Him (YESHUA)is excepted.
    1Co 15:28 And when all are made subject to Him (YESHA), then the Son Himself shall also be subject to Him (YEHOVAH) who put all under Him, in order that Elohim be all in all.

  18. Hi Nehemiah! Did you get my last comment as it appears 4 comments were loaded after I sent my last comment in?

  19. In addition to my earlier post, I just get this 10 Lost tribes mentality. Dumond himself stated he believes that the 10 lost tribes are the western nations. But this is a fallacy.
    We know from 2 Chronicles 15:9 that there were many northerners who had come down to the south before Assyria took them captive. If so much attention to detail has been taken why not with the myth of the 10 lost tribes.
    Even James and Paul refer to the 12 tribes who were present in Jerusalem from abroad for the feast days……

  20. Yeshua is NOT Yehováh!:

    https://sumofthyword.com/2017/02/17/trinity-true-or-false/

    Ivan Panin did a very good work on the chronology of the bible with a table beginning on page 78 0f this link:

    https://www.ubm1.org/Bible_Chronology.pdf

    Here is why the Daniel 9 is prophesying Jesus!

    Gabriel’s announcement to Daniel:

    Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the anointed(Hebrew: “Messiah”) one, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks(7 + 62 = 69 weeks): it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times.

    The Hebrew word for week is “shabua” which means “a seven” of days or years. History has proven that each week represents seven years. Let’s take a look at two dates that prove that Jesus was the Messiah who came after these 69 weeks or 483 years.

    Jeremiah prophesied the end of the 70 years of captivity that came in the first year of Cyrus when he freed the Jews to return and build the temple and city:

    2Ch.36:22-23 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of Jehovah by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, Jehovah stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and [put it] also in writing, saying, (23) Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth hath Jehovah, the God of heaven, given me; and he hath charged me to build him a house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whosoever there is among you of all his people, Jehovah his God be with him, and let him go up

    Isaiah also prophesied the rebuilding of the temple:

    Isaiah 44:28 That saith of Cyrus, [He is] my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure, even saying of Jerusalem, She shall be built; and of the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

    From the time King Cyrus commanded the temple rebuilt in 486 BC there were “seven weeks” or 49 years until the temple was built and then there was “threescore and two weeks” for a total of 69 weeks or 483 years until Jesus came in 3 BC and was announced by an angel:

    Luke 2:11 for there is born to you this day in the city of David a Saviour, who is Christ(Greek ~ anointed) the Lord.

    There were subsequent commands to rebuild the temple and city were made by Darius and Artaxerxes in Ezra chapters 5 thru 7 to fulfill Cyrus’ initial command:

    Ezra 6:14 And the elders of the Jews builded and prospered, through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the decree of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

    Here is another interesting date that proves Jesus to be the “anointed” who came after another 69-week period. The commandment by Artaxerxes was commonly thought to have been in 457 BC. If we count 483 years from 457 BC we come to 27 AD when the scripture says Jesus was 30 years old which was the age a priest could begin to teach:

    Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,

    Jesus was baptized by John in 27AD and “anointed” with the Holy Spirit for ministry before He began to teach as Daniel 9:25 prophesied would end the 69 weeks. Jesus announced He was the “anointed” in Luke:

    Luke 4:18-21 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he anointed me to preach good tidings to the poor: He hath sent me to proclaim release to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, (19) To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord. (20) And he closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant, and sat down: and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fastened on him. (21) And he began to say unto them, To-day hath this scripture been fulfilled in your ears.

    Jesus was quoting Isaiah about being the “anointed”:

    Isaiah 61:1-2 The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon me; because Jehovah hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; (2) to proclaim the year of Jehovah’s favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

    Though He only quoted the first half of Isaiah 61:2 because the “day of vengeance” comes after the seventieth week:

    Isaiah 63:4 For the day of vengeance was in my heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

    I prove that here:

    https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

  21. Ok, I have a list of questions as long as my…..Arm ?
    Put simply, i dont disagree with Dumonds reckoning of the shmitas and im sure its accurate, but heres at least one big but !
    If these shmitas and feast days are off, according to Dumond, then many of the historical events that occurred on feast days in Israels history, and more recent history over the last 70 years cannot be admitted into court as proof events happening on exact feast days, they will mostly be out of sync and therefore disprove Jewish historical events when lined up with feast days.
    Secondly “IF” 90% of potential Jews are killed thus leaving the the nations very skeletal, Who are the mighty nations who destroy King of Tyre and drag him into the pit. If 90% of the western nations are gone, theres no one left that comes from beyond the horizon to destroy the king of tyre…. and they are not the so called righteous……these are the ones, the gentiles, who convert to worship the king of kings.
    Thirdly, Isa 2, Mic 4, Dan 7 state the kingdom begins in the times of these kings [Mideast beast nations] as depicted by the stone hitting the statue at the feet, that is the scene where the kingdom begins and its at that time when the Ancient of days appears and AND AND, one like the son of man, not David.
    I see the Daniel 9 time line to encompass 3 types of prophecies literal 70 weeks, 70 lots of shmita weeks and 70 counting of the weeks Shabua shabuim, pentecost, so a literal 70 years.
    I also see the Zech 1 70 years to be the same 70 counting of the weeks just passed, because the question is asked “How Long” and it is asked, and i believe it is asked in the next year after the end of the 70 years. so in effect its asked on the 71st year, on the 24th of the month of sebat. Jan Feb for us gentiles.. Then the lord sends someone to measure the area…… is it the allusion to the two witnesses, i dont know
    However I think theres heaps of great info in Dumonds jubilee cycles, but like i said it is troublesome to see jewish events that were taking place on feast days to no longer occurring on feast days…..
    Not sure if i made myself clear enough but thats how i see things.

    • As to the 2300 evening mornings, this statement suggests that prior to this the temple was clean and in tact, and afterwards also, so during this period is it not clean. Meaning that the temple in operational before during and afterwards, BUT only during this 2300 evening mornings it is defiled. To me this is tied into the Greecian/Ionian sacking against Persia, more commonly known as the wars between Greecia and Persia…..
      I see huge problems with Dumonds interpretations but his jubilee times seem to be correct.

      • And whilst we are on the 2300 evening mornings, I have always looked at this as being a literal 1150 day period, as theres an evening and a morning to each day, so if we are counting individual evening mornings, this would span a period of 1150 literal days…. so if the defiling takes place in the afternoon, that one mean 1 evening already taken from the count

    • Just quickly reading over Daniel 8 and Daniel is told that the vision is for end times. But it has to span history also. So whilst the reality of the vision began with the confrontation of Greecia/Turkey and Persia it reaches it culmination in the end times, but notice, its only the little horn, the descendant, of the Goat kingdom.
      I think us gentiles have a different way of reading texts meant for Jewish minds. We tend to bring everything in the text to our time, but if we did this then none of the scripture would have had its fulfillment and thus why would you believe it in the first place, if it hadnt happened yet.
      Its an ongoing unfolding saga that reaches its ultimate fulfillment, parts already fulfilled, thus allowing us to prove that its ending will also be sure.

      • Shabbat Shalom James, I am thrilled to see I have your mind whirling here. That excites me. And to see you are going back and rereading the scriptures is a blessing to me to know you are doing this.

        Nehemia and I covered a lot of ground and we did so very fast and I did not have much of a chance to explain it. LOL

        Maybe next time we can focus on one subject and go into great detail.

        To try and answer all your questions here will not serve you and I most likely would leave out some gems along the way.

        Go get the 2300 Days of Hell and read it. If it does not add up nor make sense or if you feel it was a waste of time, I will refund you the cost. Just tell me. No arguments.

        Sound fair?
        But let me comment on one of your posts above about Daniel 8.

        Dan 8:13 Then I heard a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that one who spoke, Until when shall the vision last, concerning the daily sacrifice and the transgression that astounds, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled?
        Dan 8:14 And he said to me, For two thousand, three hundred evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be vindicated.

        The word that is translated as Sanctuary in verse 13 can just as easily be translated as the Saints and the host of the saints that are to be trodden under foot. IN fact it is this understanding that fits with the many other scriptures about this time and this is why Daniel was sick for days.

        H6944 (Strong)

        קֹדֶשׁ

        qôdesh

        ko’-desh

        From H6942; a sacred place or thing; rarely abstractly sanctity: – consecrated (thing), dedicated (thing), hallowed (thing), holiness, (X most) holy (X day, portion, thing), saint, sanctuary.

        H6942 (Brown-Driver-Briggs)

        קדשׁ

        qâdash

        BDB Definition:

        1) to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate

        1a) (Qal)

        1a1) to be set apart, be consecrated

        1a2) to be hallowed

        1a3) consecrated, tabooed

        1b) (Niphal)

        1b1) to show oneself sacred or majestic

        1b2) to be honoured, be treated as sacred

        1b3) to be holy

        1c) (Piel)

        1c1) to set apart as sacred, consecrate, dedicate

        1c2) to observe as holy, keep sacred

        1c3) to honour as sacred, hallow

        1c4) to consecrate

        1d) (Pual)

        1d1) to be consecrated

        1d2) consecrated, dedicated

        1e) (Hiphil)

        1e1) to set apart, devote, consecrate

        1e2) to regard or treat as sacred or hallow

        1e3) to consecrate

        1f) (Hithpael)

        1f1) to keep oneself apart or separate

        1f2) to cause Himself to be hallowed (of God)

        1f3) to be observed as holy

        1f4) to consecrate oneself

        An example is found in Numbers 15:40; קדשׁים sacred ones, saints

        https://biblehub.com/interlinear/numbers/15-40.htm

        Daniel 8:13 is not talking about the Sanctuary. Those interpreting are . But Daniel is talking about the Saints being trampled underfoot for 2300 Days. And Daniel 9 tell us those days begin in the middle of the 70th Jubilee Cycle. In other words 2020. One year from now.

        Please do get the book and see th emany other scriptures I share to show you this point and much much more.

  22. Regarding the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14, Dan 8:13 seems to say that they begin at the start of the vision and end with the cleansing of the sanctuary. And the vision begins with the he goat (Alexander) attacking the ram (Persia), which occurred in “May” (actually Decius) 334 BCE. Adding 2300 years to 334BCE gives 1967 CE, the year Israel recaptured Jerusalem. And while the date of the battle of Granicus is usually given as May 334 BC, the ancient sources give the month as Decius. Since the Macedonians were using a lunisolar calendar at that time, Decius in -334 might well have included early June. So the interval between Granicus and June 7, 1967 may have been exactly 2300 years. I wish I could prove or disprove it. Perhaps someone with more expertise in the ancient Macedonian calendar could help me out.

    There are a whole bunch of suggestive arguments that one could make pointing to a tribulation in the 2020’s. For example in Joshua 3:4, Joshua commands the people to maintain a space of about 2000 cubits behind the ark of the covenant when crossing over the Jordan into the promised land. At the start of Yeshua’s ministry he was baptized at Bethabara which John 1:28 says was “beyond Jordan”, apparently meaning on the eastern side of the Jordan. And Yeshua is identified with the ark and everything in it. Why the 2000 cubit separation? Could this be hinting that about 2000 years after Yeshua crossed over Jordan on a mission to lead Israel into the spiritual promised land, that the Jewish people will follow him spiritually into the land? Obviously this is not an airtight proof that the tribulation will happen in the 2020’s, but it is interesting that there are a number of similar arguments that seem to say that the tribulation could begin any time now. We will have to wait and see, but I have a feeling that it is getting close.

  23. Possibly the best explanation of the chronology of Daniel 9, which I have come across is Michael Skobac of Jews for Judaism.ca. He tears the history apart, translates the Hebrew, and reconstructs the history. It makes more sense than all the Christian inferences trying to prove that the text is messianic.

  24. Thanks for another interesting podcast…

    Josephus, the LXX, and the Samaritan Pentateuch state a different number of years for the lives of those in Genesis 11:12-23, than the Masoretic text uses. Could their longer chronologies change the Biblical dating calendar?

    The Masoretic texts that our bibles are based on are highly respected, but what if their ‘master copy’ was one that had been tampered with in Genesis 11, during the second century, say – even before they’d received it in transmission? The agreement of these other early witnesses to the Genesis 11 lifespans, suggests the Masoretic ‘master copy’ may have been meddled with sometime after the first century. Nathan Hoffman, in his Pyramids/Flood Youtube video, suggests a reason why this could have been.

    Any thoughts?

    • yes good question, but if portion has been tampered ?? then whos to say the rest hasnt been, and in the end none of it is accurate ???
      Or have i misread your question ?

      • Hi James,
        I realise the rest of the text could be corrupted, but a corruption in one place doesn’t mean that the whole text has been corrupted everywhere. The Samaritan Pentateuch is an example – it’s corrupted in places where the Samaritans wanted it corrupted – to serve their agenda – but not corrupt everywhere.

        The fact that Josephus, the LXX, and the Samaritan Pentateuch all agree with each other on the Genesis 11 time spans (and all 3 were written centuries before the earliest Masoretic text available), suggests those verses might have been tampered with. Nathan Hoffman’s Pyramids/Flood videos suggests a reason why Rabbi’s might have interfered with it.

        It can be fairly straightforward to work out what the original version would have been though, even if none of its remaining copies are fully correct. For example, if the following three texts are all corruptions from the original, I bet you can still deduce the original:

        The dog sat on the mat;
        The cat soiled the mat;
        The cat sat on the mit.

        S.
        .

    • Shabbat Shalom Steve, there is one way to know which text is correct. And that is to do both chronologies and see which one matches with the two Jubilee Years mentioned in the bible. There are only two places teh Jubilee year is mentioned. 2 Kings 19:29 and Lev 25:2 And you must match these two dates one to another and once you have done that (which can only be done by doing the proper chronology) then you will know which version is the correct one.

      Great questions though

      • Thanks, I hadn’t realised that verse was about the Jubilee year.

        I suppose I’m questioning whether it’s right to consider this year as Jewish year 5779 from creation, if the Rabbi’s, say, had been behind a distortion of the original text that was transmitted later to the Masoretes. (This perhaps is not a point that significantly effects your purpose in writing.)

  25. Greetings,
    Heard the different readings of Psalms 22 where there is controversy over whether it refers to “lions” versus “they pierced”. Just curious, how was it written and translated in the dead see scrolls copy of Psalms?

    Thanks

  26. I have been following Joseph Dummond for a few years now and have read his 750+ page book. It is not an easy read, and there were some days I quit reading after only getting through 2-3 pages. I needed time to digest what I just read. It appears all of the information that is presented is correct as I can’t prove him wrong, nor have I seen anyone else do so. Since this interview took place last year, I’m curious what your thoughts are, Nehemia, now that you’ve had time to process everything and look into these matters a little deeper. By the way, I did keep that last shemittah year, as best as I could, according to Joseph’s reckoning in the book. We will all know in about a year if 2020 is foresight or hindsight! Shalom!

  27. 1.- Yeshua is/was the physical representation (Meymráh) of Yehováh?
    2.- The dry bones of Ez 37 are the number of Israel’s tribes from all the face of the earth being awaken today to come to be part of the final redemption of Yehováh’s people (goy kadosh) Ex 19.6?
    3.- Is it given to us to pretend to know the times? Or shall we focus on what is revealed? Deut 29:28
    4.- Who belongs to Israel according to the Scriptures? Today’s countries or…the ones Yehováh has chosen? Israel is not any ADN related concept it is rather a sovereign election (setting apart) of Yehováh, the ones under His covenant Torah observant people according to His work of grace described in Jer 31.31.

    I am also a Truth seeker.

    I would like to have some one to answer my questions, please.

  28. Summary of Joe’s points:

    (Thanks Nehemia for doing this which is of interest I think to many of your listeners (not all). I like Joe and we share a similar church background. I appreciate his Sabbath-year research so much.)

    Yet he lost me on so many points like:
    * In 2020 “2300 days of hell” begin (that’s 6.3 years ending 2026 at Trumpets)
    * Joseph’s 7 years of Famine/Plenty begin Trumpets, 2026 when the Two Witnesses begin their work and no rain and then they die
    * Only after that are the 3.5 year Great Tribulation (!)
    * The (7 sabbath year cycle) 70th week of Daniel began in 1996 (!!)
    * Yeshua does not return (!?!)
    * There is a 1000 year delay until the “God/Messiah” comes to earth in 3024
    * “The Messiah” is not Yeshua but King David (who I agree gets resurrected and does rule, but in 6030 AM) in 2045 (not 2030 as I think).
    * David won’t tell the world the Christians are wrong, Jesus is not Messiah…but Joe is not sure what he’ll say. (Confusing)
    * We should keep the Sabbatical year of ancient Israel in Palestine (yes, worldwide)

    That said, Joseph has researched dozens of tombstones showing when the true Sabbath year cycle is and I agree with him on that and appreciate his findings in that area. https://escapeallthesethings.com/great-tribulation-sabbath-year

    • Thanks Tim for your comments.

      let address two of them for you.

      You said “The Messiah” is not Yeshua but King David (who I agree gets resurrected and does rule, but in 6030 AM) in 2045 (not 2030 as I think).
      * David won’t tell the world the Christians are wrong, Jesus is not Messiah…but Joe is not sure what he’ll say. (Confusing)
      * We should keep the Sabbatical year of ancient Israel in Palestine (yes, worldwide)

      The Messiah of Daniel 9, the Prince is King David and can be proven so by counting the 7 Jubilee cycles from the going forth of the command. That is 7 Jubilee cycles from when Yehovah told Moses to go and get His people, 7 Jubilee cycles later is when King David, Messiah the Prince is born and reigns and died all in that 7th Jubilee cycle.

      It then continues and but the anointed which is the Mashiach which is then translated as the Messiah is actually talking about the Anointed Saints of Israel who will be cut off after the 62nd Jubilee. That is the 69th in total which is 1996 CE.

      It is my belief that King David will be raised up with the rest of the Saints at the end of the Great Tribulation in the year 2033 CE. This is take place at Shavuot.

      As to what David will and will not say at that time to the Christians. I have no knowledge of what he is going to say. I would have to be a prophet to respond to that question.
      But I do know this. Those who claim to be Christian and do not keep the Torah, will not be found alive by the time David is brought back to life. David will not be addressing Christians, but He will be ruling over those who are keeping the Torah and following Yehovah. He will be showing them how to set up the Temple and preparing them for the 7th Millennium and how to govern during that time.

      Yes the Sabbath is for all the world, The Holy Days are for all the world. And the Sabbatical years and Jubilee years are for all the world to keep.

  29. Do not agree that the Daniel 9 25-27 #1 refers to dead King David #2 is about the exodus, “to restore and build Jerusalem” seems to refer to the city and not the temple.

  30. It appears that YAHOVAH intentionally created confusion about this so that He is still Supreme and He alone knows the correct times cause in our humanness we will create catastrophic danger!

    • I would respectfully disagree, unless you were thinking of a different word other than “confusion.” 1 Corinthians 14:33

    • 1 Corinthians 14:33 KJVS
      [33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

      Amos 3:7 KJVS
      [7] Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

  31. Out standing podcast. I been learning from sightedmoon.com for years now. Joseph Dumond has changed my understanding on many biblical truths. Wasn’t always easy to accept my errors but as of 2019 I have never been able to prove his research incorrect about the Sabbatical and Jubilee Cycles or his timeline for the end times. Thank you Mr. Gordon for sharing this with us, Shalom.

  32. At the thirty one minute mark the Author states that Yeshua nor his talmidim “never ” quote Daniel “Nine” as to Yeshua’s authenticity, yes ? However, we have further evidence in the New Testament that this claim is rather interesting as if one reads the last sentence in Yochanan’s Gospel, one will learn that the Bible as we know it, is an abbreviation of a very complex narrative. To suggest one “never” spoke a thing because there is no record of it being said, on face value, is not very convincing. – ” But there are also many other things that Yeshua did ( it is not plausible to “do” things, especially the miraculous, among small groups or crowds without speaking many things ), and if they were all to be recorded, I don’t think that the whole world could contain the books that would have to be written ! ” Yochanan 21:25 .

    • From what you have said you are admitting you have no real scriptural proof that any of the Apostles or Yehshua used the Daniel 9 prophecy to prove He was the Messiah.

      • Thanks for your reply. My point is simply that if a quote is missing from the Record, does it actually mean it wasn’t made ? It cannot be proven one way or the other so how does one arrive at a conclusion that it was never cited ? Yeshua clearly stated that he didn’t come to “testify ” of himself. Refer to John 5:31. Thanks again !

  33. Joseph suggest that we view his chart “The Sabbatical and Jubilee Year Calendar The Blood and Dark Moons From Adam” : https://sightedmoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Sabbatical-Jubiees-Chart-Updated-2018.pdf

    The first thing that is glaring is his antediluvian Passover sacrifices.

    From his chart footnotes:

    “…1656 A.C. Methuselah dies around Passover age 969 Noah must cleanse for 7 days and cannot take the first Passover. In the Second Month on the 17th day the earth was Flooded. The second Passover was on the 15th, and possibly the wave offering on the 16th day of the second month…”

    “…A Lunar Eclipse was seen on March 21st, 2181 B.C. This would have been when the 1st Passover took place. Noah took part in the 2nd Passover due to the death of Methuselah. There were other Lunar Eclipses on April 1st and September 24th, 2182 B.C.; April 12th and October 5th, 2183 B.C.; April 22nd and October 16th, 2184 B.C. It is recorded as a Lunar Tetrad April and September 2182 B.C., as well as April and October 2183 B.C. These are the four Holy Days leading up to the Flood at Passover in 2181 B.C., but keep in mind that even during the 1st Passover that year, there was a total Lunar Eclipse giving us the four Blood Moons at that time…”

    Deuteronomy 4:2 KJVS
    [2] Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

    • FWIW, I asked Mr. Dumond about this a few months ago on his site/blog, and this was the reasoning he gave in his response:
      ———————–
      Neville Newman
      says:
      March 3, 19 at 2:28 pm
      You just threw me for a loop. *Noah* keeping Passover??

      Reply –
      Joseph F. Dumond
      says:
      March 4, 19 at 4:45 pm
      In order to be righteous as Noah was, means that He kept the Torah. Psalm 119:172 Let my tongue sing of thy word; For all thy commandments are righteousness. The 4th commandment is about the Sabbath and includes the Holy Days and Sabbatical and Jubilee Years. The Flood came on the 17th day of the 2nd month. If you have touched a dead person, you cannot keep Passover and if that is the case, then you can keep it in the 2nd month. Methuselah died in the year of the flood and was a righteous man. He did not die because of the flood but from old age. If he died just before Passover in the first month then Noah would not be able to keep the 1st Passover and it would be postponed to the 2nd month. The flood came on the 17th day of the 2nd month. 2 days after the Passover on the 15th. It may not have been called Passover then but it was the 1st day of Unleavened Bread.

      Reply –
      Neville Newman
      says:
      March 4, 19 at 5:26 pm
      Thank you for the explanation. I can’t agree with the many quantum leaps of logic, but now I understand how you got to your conclusion.
      —————————

  34. John 21:25 KJVS
    [25] And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

    The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    • Wish I would have reviewed the comments before I made my ” two cents” worth as I repeated your argument. I totally agree as in the context of Yeshua’s ministry and his miraculous deeds, this would have overwhelmed the senses of the most astute Scribe whereby he would be inclined to omit many things spoken as he laboriously attempted to recall the deed as accurately as possible.Thanks

    • Re: absence
      …and just think of how much written material was burnt and lost during the early centuries.

    • ditto! On the Road to Emmaus Yeshua had to open the eyes of two men by revealing himself in scripture – and which scriptures exactly? We are not told.

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