Prophet Pearls #8 – Vayishlach (Obadiah 1:1-21)

The Edomite City of Petra, Prophet Pearls Vayishlach, Obadiah, day of the lord, edom, edomites, haftarah, Keith Johnson, measure for measure, mount zion, negev, nehemia gordon, obadiah, parashah, Parsha, parshas, parshat, petra, Temple Mount, Tetragrammaton, Vayishlach, yom YehovahThis week Nehemia Gordon and Keith Johnson discuss the Prophets portion for Vayishlach, covering Obadiah 1:1-21. To the single-chapter vision of Obadiah, Gordon and Johnson bring volumes of insight. We learn how the eschatological views of preterism, historicism and futurism apply to this Portion. We also learn that Obadiah’s identity has been determined by a rabbinical method of interpretation known as “make-it-up.”  Word studies include:  “hamas,” “Sepharad,”  “yom Yehovah,” “Edom,” “measure for measure,” and “drinking from the cup.” While we are warned by the sins of Edom, we are encouraged by Gordon’s eye-witness account of prophecy fulfilled in the Negev. And we look forward to the day when saviors ascend Mount Zion and the kingdom is Yehovah’s.

"I will destroy the wise out of Edom... and you shall be cut off forever." Obadiah 1:8, 10

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23 thoughts on “Prophet Pearls #8 – Vayishlach (Obadiah 1:1-21)

  1. I loved listening to this. Thank you for the 3 methods of analyzing prophecy. You really need to do another one on Obadiah so we can find out what is on your other pages of notes 🙂 Thanks

  2. Very interesting I didn’t realize Job was from this area ,or that Caleb was a decendant from Esau. We know that Yehovah created everything to go in a cycle, so history repeats itself.So there is nothing new under the sun.

  3. Another great discussion! Did anyone else find it intriguing that there was a terrible oil pipeline spill in southern Israel this week that is impacting the Arava region as well as the part of Jordan that – if I understand correctly – is in or near the area spoken of in Ovadiah? Here is a link to Arutz 7 / INNews with more info and pics: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/188270#.VINp5mdshuo

    Also – Nehemia, what Bible program are you using to look up the ‘number of times x,y,z’ is found? I am always interested in learning about new resources.

    Praying your time in TN this weekend is a blessing to all!

  4. Hosea 13:4
    Yet I (am) YHVH your God from the land of Egypt; and gods other than Me you shall not know, for a savior there is not besides Me.

    Isaiah 43:11
    I, I (am) YHVH; and there is not besides Me a savior.

    Obadiah 1:21
    And saviors shall go up into the mountain of Zion to judge the mountain of Esau; and the kingdom shall be to YHVH.

    verse 21 – plural
    comment:
    …saviors assisting the savior, saviors under the leadership of YHVH Himself

    The plurality of verse 21 of Obadiah is not in contradiction with Hosea 13:4 nor with Isaiah 43:11 – but merely a shared title (shared by YHVH) as those saviors are chosen by YHVH, and under the hierarchical rule of YHVH – willingly and lovingly executing His orders and will.

  5. “According to those who study these things”, the 6000 years of man or 120 Jubilee cycles of Genesis 6:3 equaling “1000 years as a day” [1] did not end on September 17, 2001.

    The fact that we have completed 6013 full years since then and are now almost 2 months into year 6014 [ 9-24-2014] is because the LORD turned back the ecliptic, the circuit the sun travels [2] so He could add 15 years to Hezekiah’s life and continue the line of the seed of Jesse who would come and “stand as a banner for the peoples”.

    We still have Hezekiah’s returning year 15 plus the three years of “sign” of Isaiah 37:30, that includes the returning Shimitah year 6016 and the final 120th Jubilee year 6017, an Omega year that will simultaneously end all things then the Alpha year, the third of the “sign” will begin ALL THINGS ANEW on September 9, 2018.

    Another witness to the returning 17 years is that Jacob lived with ALL his sons in exile in Egypt for 17 Years [4] who eventually returned to Israel, just as all Israel will on what i believe will be at the “great resurrection” [5] at the beginning of year 17 on September 30, 2017.

    All numbers in scripture are not without significance, pray for the peace of Jerusalem, the land of Israel and their people, an Ezekiel 33:6 watching one
    [1] Psalm 90:4
    [2] 2 Kings 20:11, Isaiah 38:8
    [3] Isaiah 11:10, Micah 5:2-5
    [4] Genesis 47:28
    [5] Isaiah 26:19, Ezekiel 37:12-14, Daniel 12:2

    • That’s an interesting theory Gavriel. Other folk claim that we haven’t yet arrived at the completion of the 120th Jubilee cycle, see Joe Dummond for example….

      • Dafydd,
        Thank you for replying, he was so close yet so far, he had the years 701 and 700 in front of him, then went back into the 49 year error.

        Whats so amazing is that he had the additional 15 years YHVH added to Hezekiah’s life by pushing the ecliptic back 15 years in Chapter 20, which btw can be found in Isaiah 37 and 38.

        The 15 years of Hezekiah and the “sign” of three years have been and are returning right on schedule. Amein, Gavriel

  6. So excited this morning when during my study I came across a reference to Micah 4:2 – Many nations shall come and say, “Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Yahovah, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in his paths.” For out of Zion the law shall go forth, And the word of Yehovah from Jerusalem. All of Micah 4:1-8 is thrilling!
    It tied together so well with Obadiah 21. Love it!!! thank you for your passion for speaking the truth in the spirit of love & cooperation.

  7. Thanks Guys, that was an interesting discussion. Some random thoughts about Edom…
    1. Edom is not to be hated (Deuteronomy 23:7). We also have the example of Caleb who most likely was an Edomite, who, along with Yahoshua (Joshua son of Nun) was one of the two good spies; and also his nephew (?) Othniel ben Kenaz who became one of the Judges of Israel following Yahoshua’s death. Edomites can and have become Israelites when they chose to live by Torah.
    2. Like the Israelites, Edom is also very numerous and they are not confined to their original homeland. Segments of Edom were taken into the Assyrian captivity alongside the northern and eastern Israelites and they were resettled in Persia. During the time of the Parthian Federation, they lived in the province of Carmania or Germania in Persia. They also left Persia when the Israelite Parthian Empire fell and followed them into Europe. They are primarily amongst the eastern Europeans in Germany and Austria. Other Edomites were amongst the Babylonians who were resettled by the Assyrians amongst the Chaldeans who were forced to resettle in northern Israel (the Samaritans). It is from the Samaritans that Simon Magus arose and became the chief Pontiff in Rome (Simon Paeter whom some Christians confuse with Simon Peter).
    3. Rome was an Edomite nation, the leading families of Rome were settlers from Sparta (Rome was originally a Spartan colony) and the Spartans identified themselves as descendants of Esau. It was to Rome that Herod (I refuse to call him Herod the Great) fled for shelter and assistance went when the Parthians drove him out of Judea and appointed their own King.
    4. The present number of Edomites would be roughly equivalent to the number of Israelites, both those from the House of Israel still in exile and those from the House of Judah. According to the prophecy of Moses, the Israelites will number around 1.2 to 1.4 Billion (that’s Billion with a “B”) immediately before “The Day of the LORD”. We can assume that Edom’s numbers would be equivalent. This prophecy reveals that that fateful day is, at least, a generation away. This ties in with the expected end of the 6000 years allocated to man, the 120 Jubilee Years, which appears to be a generation away according to those who study these things.
    5. Israelites and Edomites are “first cousins”. As such they would have much in common; both would be civilised, learned, industrious and inventive people. The major difference is that the Edomites tend to be more militaristic in outlook, probably due to Esau’s nature as a great hunter whereas Israel (Jacob) tended to his sheep. The other differences would be that exiled Israelites tend to belong to the R1B Y-DNA family whereas the Edomites tend to belong to the R1A Y-DNA family. The other major difference is that the Israelites tend to be dolichocephalic on the Cephalic index, whereas the Edomites tend to be brachycephalic.
    6. A whole encyclopaedia could be written on the history of the wars between the Edomites and the Israelites, both in the Land of Israel and in exile. According to the Jewish Sages, only the Tribes of Joseph can defeat Edom in battle. I am not sure why this belief exists but it is connected somehow to the birth of both Manasseh and Ephraim in Egypt, whereas the Patriarchs of the other Tribes were born in the Promised Land. History has shown that both Ephraim and Manasseh (primarily the USA and the British Commonwealth nowadays) have defeated Edom when necessary, and this has been the case from the time of the Parthian and Sacae Scythians (Saka Scythians to the Persians, Saxons to the Romans) wars against Rome to the two world wars of last century.
    7. The House of Israel shall suffer terrible defeats and humiliations at the end of our era. Only a remnant of their large number shall survive to return to the Promised Land at the time of Messiah ben David, although Edom shall suffer much more. Yahoshua ben Yosef ben David ben Elohim (or Jesus Christ if you prefer the Greek) made it clear that Lost Israel shall return (the story of the Prodigal Son), though most would be rejected and replaced by Gentiles (the story of the Wedding Feast) as they are covenant breakers. This will be a dreadful time, a time of “wailing and gnashing of teeth” as many Christians will be turned away, their religiosity counting for naught as they refused to abide by God’s Torah.

    • Hi Dafydd, I would really like to know the source of all this History you are quoting as fact. Please e-mail me a few references.
      Thanks and I won’t hold the Welsh victory against you.
      Well done

      • Hi Jacques,
        I read from a variety of sources and I think that two teachers stand out, these are Yair Davidiy, an Orthodox Jewish teacher in Jerusalem, and Steven M. Collins, a Christian teacher in America. Both have written numerous books regarding the northern tribes and where they are these days, and both have interesting audio and video teachings on their web sites. Yair Davidiy’s web sites are:
        http://www.britam.org/
        http://hebrewnations.com/

        Steven Collins web site is at:
        http://stevenmcollins.com/homepage.php

        According to Yair Davidiy, the northern tribes are found mainly in Scandinavia and Atlantic Europe, and the places of migration from Europe (USA, Canada, Australia & New Zealand). Different clans from different Tribes live in a variety of nations, but some Tribes appear to be predominate, and this is where they are found:

        Issachar – Finland and Switzerland
        Gad (Gauth – English Goth) in Sweden
        Naphtali – the “Nephtalite Huns” in Norway
        Asher – Scotland
        Ephraim – England, Canada, Australia & New Zealand
        Manasseh – USA
        Dan – Denmark & Ireland
        Zebulon – Netherlands
        Reuben – The Gauls and Reubenite Franks in France
        Simeon – scattered, in southern Wales, eastern England and Ireland
        Judah – primarily the Jews in Israel and elsewhere
        Levi – primarily with the Jews in Israel and elsewhere
        Benjamin – around half with the Jews in Israel and elsewhere, and also the Belgae in Belgium and central England, and the Normans of Atlantic France.

        According to Yair Davidiy, the Israelites compose either the majority of those nations mentioned above, or a substantial and influential minority. The northern Tribes are also represented in Judah though according to the Jews, they represent less than 10% of the Jewish population. Likewise, there are minority elements of Judah and Levi amongst the northern Tribes, for example the Jutes from Denmark, now mainly in southern England, and elements of Levi are found in the Lombardi in northern Italy and amongst the northern Welsh (the Druidic Priesthood may have had a Levitical background). Elements are also present in India and Africa, though it is in the European nations where their specific Tribal blessings were made manifest.

    • I’m not saying that the following statement is true, or not true – I’m just adding that some Christians think that Edom is the red nation – Russia.

      • Esau was “admoni”, which really means red through to golden coloured hair. If we associate admoni with communism, then the united Kingdom of Israel under King David must also have been a dreadful hotbed of Bolshevism as King David was also admoni.

      • I should have added… (just a guess), I think you will find that the Russians have a Canaanite rather than an Edomite background. When Assyria captured northern Israel, not all of the Israelites were sent to the northern and eastern borders of the Assyrian Empire, some were transported by sea by the Canaanites (former allies and joint members of the Hebrew / Canaanite naval alliance – the Phoenicians) to the Baltic Sea to work on the amber trade. The Russians are the descendants of the Rus Vikings who departed Sweden and headed east, later creating the Russian state. I suspect that they were the former Canaanite task masters of the exiled Israelites who were overthrown and forced to flee. Most of the Canaanites left the Promised Land at the time of Yahoshua son of Nun and they migrated to northern Africa along the Mediterranean and we know them these days as the Berbers. It would be interesting to see if there are any DNA similarities between the Berbers and the Russians.

  8. Enjoyed this podcast. Thank you for the validation that people in authority don’t always speak about what ‘is written’ but often enough talk about ‘what they think.’ It is great to be able to know the difference. Alongside reading GOD’s Word, listening to the podcasts really helps with that.

  9. Wonderful analysis and answers to many questions. Strangely this is one Tanakh portion I always wished to revisit because I had neglected it. The only BIG disappointment was not paying any attention to v.18. Great commentary on the Sephardic aspect to this prophet. Relevant to me since there is a Sephardic Jew in my workplace. I often feel lazy when we listen to your shows, but there is so much to learn and so little time.

  10. several years ago i was looking @ the name yahshuah & its number value 444, which means “pure love” & now in this episode i hear you say tha adonai yhvh conbination is in the text 444 times—that’s interesting!!! halleluyah

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