Hebrew Voices #109 – PART 1/4 Does John 6:4 Belong in the New Testament

In this episode of Hebrew Voices, Does John 6:4 Belong in the New Testament - PART 1 of 4, we examine the controversy about the Gospel of John which has raged for nearly 2,000 years, as we begin a 4-part series to solve a textual conundrum using technology John could not have imagined and drawing on resources unavailable even a few years ago.

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Hebrew Voices #109 - PART 1/4 Does John 6:4 Belong in the New Testament

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Nehemia: Now I want to get to John 6:4 and see what we have. What is the evidence, because there’s got to be a text. There has got to be evidence in a manuscript, in a document somewhere. It can’t just be, “I don’t like that verse.”

I am so excited about what we’re going to be sharing today. This is something I’ve been working on for many months. It really all started a number of months back. I was sitting with this gentleman, and he was really rebuking me. He said, “How can you have all these interactions with Michael Rood? Michael Rood is leading people astray.” I said, “How is Michael leading people astray? Give me specifics.” It was a bit ironic, because this man was a Messianic believer, and I said, “You have more in common with Michael than you do with me. [laughter] So how is it that Michael’s leading people astray?” He was looking for different things, and finally he said, “It’s John 6:4. Michael tells people that John 6:4 should not be in the Bible. He’s removing a verse from the Bible. How dare he do that?”

I listened to what the man had to say, and he wasn’t the first one to bring this up. I’d heard this from quite a number of people. I realized they keep bringing up this one verse. To me, it was a little bit strange, because I’m not a Messianic Jew, I’m not a Christian. This is one verse. You know, if somebody came to me and said, “Deuteronomy 6:4, the Shema, doesn’t belong in your Torah,” I’d be like, “That’s a non-starter.” [laughter] But if it was Genesis 10:26 or something, “Okay, we could have that conversation. Show me a manuscript where that’s missing and we can talk about that.” I’ll be honest, I didn’t fully understand. Michael’s going to explain why John 6:4 is so central, but it was difficult for me to fully grasp it.

But as he was explaining this to me, I said to him, “You know what? I’m going to look into this, and if I find out there’s no evidence to support what Michael is saying, I will sit down with Michael myself and I will correct him and tell him, [laughter] ‘You cannot be teaching this.’” I’ll say, “Look, Michael. There’s no evidence for what you’re saying. You can’t be teaching this in John 6:4.”

The next morning, I sat down with breakfast with my friend here, John Lorquette, and we were with a third gentleman, and I said to John, I told everybody what had happened... I’d had this conversation many times, it wasn’t the first time. I explained what had happened, and there was another man sitting there at breakfast, and he piped up. He said, “John 6:4 - Michael is wrong about John 6:4 and I can demonstrate it.”

I said, “Okay. Now we’re making progress. What is the demonstration? What’s the proof?” He said, “I asked this manuscript expert, and he told me Michael was wrong.” [laughter] I said, “That’s just someone’s expert opinion, and they may be right.” It really was a big expert. I said, “But I need to look into this myself.” I can read manuscripts, and I asked John here, I said, “Would you help me look at John 6:4 and find out, is there evidence to support what Michael’s saying?” I can’t prove Michael’s right or wrong; that’s ultimately something each one of you, each one of you hearing this, needs to decide based on the evidence. But what I could do, and this is what my expertise is, is to look and see, is there evidence to support his position? Or is this some hairbrained theory he just plucked out of the air, because he didn’t like a certain verse and decided to remove it from the Bible? And there’s a really big difference between those two things.

What I didn’t know at the time is that my friend John here had already spent 40 hours studying this very question, and he has done hundreds of hours of research. This has been an international effort, where I’ve been involved, John Lorquette’s been involved, T-Bone… T-Bone is this godsend who has been sent to us to look through Hebrew and now Greek manuscripts to study things that it would take me a lifetime to do, he does it in three days. Can we give a shoutout to T-Bone? T-Bone, T-Bone, T-Bone, T-Bone.

Congregation: T-Bone, T-Bone, T-Bone.

Nehemia: Yes. [laughter] We have a gentleman in Greece who’s been helping us with this project, Dr. Pavlos Vasileiadis, who, we would find something, and I would see this and I’m like, “This can’t be right. I can’t believe what I’m seeing here,” and I’d send it to the Greek expert to verify, and in some instances he sends it on to other Greek experts. The top people in Greece have been working on this problem. Top paleographers in the world have been helping us with this. We’ve been talking to the head of the Nestle-Aland project. All kinds of top experts we’ve been consulting, because I wanted to know, is there evidence to support this or not?

Again, I can’t in the end say, you should believe this or agree with what Michael’s saying or not. What I can do is present you with the evidence, and you decide for yourself.

So we’re sitting there at breakfast and the man says, “I can demonstrate it,” and I say, “Challenge accepted.” I’ve spent many endless, sleepless nights ever since working on this project, sometimes 16, 18 hours a day, because I wanted to get an answer.

Now, before we get to John 6:4, I hate to do this, because I want to talk about that. But before we get to John 6:4, the gravity of this situation is so great that I want to look at a different verse and talk about that. I want to talk about something in the Book of Acts, because we’re talking about a really big deal here. We’re talking about what many people… over a billion people in the world consider this to be the word of God and Michael’s coming along and saying, “This should be removed from their Bible.” That is not a small thing. You don’t take that lightly. That’s a very big deal.

As a Jew, I take that very seriously. Again, it’s like if it was Genesis 10:29 or something, every letter there is the word of God to me. So even if it’s some minor verse, “The days of so-and-so are so many,” okay. But that’s still important. So we have to take this very seriously.

And so before we get to John 6:4, which we will get to, I want to look at Acts chapter 21 verse 25. That’s something that John here brought up with me. John, tell us the story of how Acts 21:25 came into this conversation.

John: I’m having a conversation with a friend of mine, and we have slightly different views on how believers in the Messiah should live. I believe that the Torah is applicable, when Yeshua says that we should not live by bread alone but by every word that God spoke, and my friend has a slightly different view. He believes that believers in the Messiah only need to worry about the Ten Commandments, only the Ten Commandments. And we’re having this discussion, and he’s very passionate and observes the Sabbath, it’s one of the Ten Commandments. We’re discussing some of the things beyond the Ten Commandments and he says, “I need you to show me in the Scriptures a passage that shows that beyond the death, burial and resurrection of the Messiah, that believers in the Messiah were following the Ten Commandments.”

So we go to Acts 21, which is a story where Paul comes to James, and they’re discussing what’s been done in the ministry. James says, “Here we have all these believers in the Messiah who are zealous for the Torah. But there’s this rumor about you, Paul, that you’re teaching these things.” I’m going to read you exactly what it says. “They’ve been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise your children or to walk according to our customs.”

And in James’ mind, this is a false rumor, because he says, “We’ve got to do something about this.” I’m going to read exactly what it says here.

Nehemia: Let me just jump in here. It’s a false rumor to James, but to many Christians it’s actually true today. Am I right?

John: A lot of Christian doctrine comes from false accusations that are levied against Paul, unfortunately.

Nehemia: It’s ironic.

John: James says, “What then is to be done? They’ll certainly hear that you’ve come, do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow. Take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses so they may shave their heads. Thus, all will know that there is nothing in what they’ve been told about you.” So James’ whole purpose here is, “We’ve got to show them there’s nothing true about what’s being said.”

Nehemia: In other words, that Paul actually is upholding the Torah according here to this account, and he’s got to demonstrate that to the people by participating in this ritual sacrifice, this ritual in the Temple. And this is after, according to the Gospels, the death and resurrection of Yeshua, which according to some people today, the Torah was done away with. When he said, “It is finished,” that was the end of the Torah. That’s what some people… John Chrysostom, we’re going to see later, says that. Yes.

John: So at this point we’re in agreement about what’s going on. However, the next verse, he’s reading from King James Bible and I’m reading from the ESV Bible. And I’m going to read it in the King James version, which is the version he’s reading. I read my version, and he stops me. He says, “Hold on a second. You’ve got to stop. Read that again.” I read it again, and then he reads me his version. I’m going to read King James version here. They said, “Take them and purify them and be at charges with them that they may shave their heads and all may know those things, whereof they were informed, concerning thee are nothing, but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, keeping the law. As touching Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing.”

Nehemia: Wow. Guys, I’m going to read that again, because that’s just so powerful. Did you read the ESV there yet? Could you read us how it’s different?

John: The ESV reads differently. The ESV reads – switch versions here, “But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed from idols and from blood, and what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.”

Nehemia: Wow. Okay, so there’s a fundamental difference. I don’t know if you guys caught that. We’re going to go back over it again. But I want to bring you here first to what he says in Acts 15, because he’s alluding back, or referring back, to something which first happened in the Book of Acts, where there were people coming to what’s called the “early Church” and saying, “These Gentiles can’t be saved unless they follow these laws, these Pharisee laws,” so it seems.

Michael: Pharisees who became believers.

Nehemia: That’s right. And so in Acts 15, verse 20, he said, “You should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols.” In other words, in Acts 21 it’s reiterating what he already had said, “things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality and from what has been strangled and from blood, for from ancient generations, Moshe has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”

In other words, the discussion here in the Book of Acts, originally in what’s called the “Jerusalem Council”, is, we have these people who aren’t Jews and we have to decide, can we even let them into the synagogue? Are they even allowed to set foot in the synagogue to be part of what’s called at that time, this “body of believers”? And the Pharisees say, “No, not unless they’re circumcised and stand before a panel of rabbis. Then if they want to believe in Yeshua, great. Otherwise, they can’t even set foot in.”

What James decides is, “No, there are four things we need to get them started.” These are the four essential things. “And then the rest they’ll hear every week in the synagogue.” To me, the analogy here is to Abraham. Look, I stole this from Paul - Paul of Tarsus. He says this, right? That Abraham had this covenant with God and he came into the land when he was 75 years old. But he walked around for decades uncircumcised, walking with the Creator. It wasn’t until he was 99 years old that God told him, “Okay, now it’s time to be circumcised.”

I think this is what Paul was teaching, and certainly what it seems from James is, “Circumcision for an adult is no small matter.” Even today, in Israel for example, it can only be done in a hospital. It’s a very serious thing. And the point here is yes, they can come into the synagogue and they’ll hear the Torah, and as they’re led, that’s what they’ll be led to do and keep. But don’t keep them out. Don’t bar them from joining just because they’re uncircumcised. They weren’t circumcised.

It’s easy for me to say, “Get circumcised,” it happened when I was eight days old. I don’t remember it. I remember a little bit, but anyway. [laughter] My mother… anyway, we won’t talk about that.

Let’s go back to the Book of Acts 21:25. This is the ESV. “As for the Gentiles who believe we have sent the letter with our judgment that they should abstain from these four things.” But in the King James Version that John is reading with his friend, there’s eight extra words! In the Greek it’s six words, in the English it’s eight extra words.

“As touching the Gentiles…” meaning “concerning the Gentiles which believe,” “we have written and concluded,” James says, “that they observe no such thing,” referring to the Torah that Paul is demonstrating that he’s keeping. That’s only for Paul the Jew, according to the King James. It’s not for the Gentiles.

The only thing they need to keep is these four basic things. So the Gentiles are allowed to steal, according to this. The Gentiles are allowed to murder. They just can’t drink blood. The Gentiles are allowed to do all kinds of things, just not these four things, according to the way that this could be read in the King James. So you’re having this conversation, John, with your friend, and he’s got his version and you’ve got your version. What do you do? How do you convince him? Did you convince him?

John: I can’t say that I did. [laughter]

Nehemia: Okay.

John: The first thing that I did is pulled up some textual commentaries and immediately they all say the exact same thing - that this is in certain manuscripts, it’s not in others. The general conclusion is that this text does not belong in the Scriptures. The fundamental problem we have – and this is not a unique problem between me and my friend – anybody that’s ever sat down at a table with more than three or four people, you’re reading different versions of the Bible. They don’t always read exactly the same way.

In this particular instance, I asked him. I said, “We’ve got to be willing to go beyond the text that we have here in our English pages, and we need to do a study and we need to determine what the original language of the Bible is. We have a variant here, and we have to get beyond this. The textual commentaries, there’s manuscript images that we can go through. We’ve got a lot of material here we can look at, and there’s a very clear conclusion that this text doesn’t belong.”

Nehemia: Can we look at the versions where this appears? Because you guys have to understand, a lot of times when you’re looking at different Bible translations, they’ll translate the same thing differently. Here, they’re not translating the same thing differently. There are extra words. That’s a very different kind of problem. We actually have here a list that John put together of these eight words, “that they should observe no such thing except.” Those are very key words, because that thing there is the Torah. This is a direct instruction from James, “Don’t keep the Torah!” in the King James. What are the different versions, John? Tell us what you’ve found.

John: Well, it does not appear in the NET Bible, the ESV Bible, RSV. Most of the modern Bibles don’t have it. The only Bibles that contain it are Bibles that are based on Textus Receptus like the King James 1611 and those Bibles that came from that similar source.

Nehemia: So tell people what is this Textus Receptus, because that sounds very authoritative, right? It’s the “received text”. It’s the one that Paul himself, or whoever, certainly that came from the Apostles, right?

John: Not exactly.

Nehemia: Oh, okay. So what is the Textus Receptus?

John: We don’t have the original manuscripts that the Apostles wrote. We don’t have the original Gospels that the Gospel authors wrote. We have copies of copies of copies. There are 5,800 approximately - we’re finding more every day – 5,800 copies of New Testament manuscripts. However, those copies don’t always agree with one another. So somebody has to look at these copies where they vary and decisions have to be made. Are we going to use this version of the text, or that version of the text? This instance here in Acts just happens to be one of those locations where one text reads one way, and many other texts read another way.

Nehemia: You mentioned to me something about this verse that I thought was really interesting - that as far as you know, this is the only direct place in the New Testament where it tells you not to keep the Torah.

John: Not only that, but this is plain and simple language. Our Father is not going to make us guess what the Commandments are. We don’t have to interpret an allegory to find out, “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” If He doesn’t want us committing adultery He just says, “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”

Nehemia: Straightforward.

John: We should not have to go through elaborate interpretations of Paul. Peter says that Paul is hard to understand. We should not have to go through allegories in Paul to determine how we’re supposed to behave. Conduct commandments are done in plain and simple language. And here, in the King James Bible, we have plain, simple language, indicating…

Nehemia: Don’t keep the Torah.

John: That the Gentiles should not observe, no such thing.

Nehemia: No such thing.

John: So this is a huge issue, because this has ramifications. There are many textual variants, and most textual variance are on things that have no bearing on your walk or conduct to your faith. But in this case, one version tells us that we should not obey the Torah, and without it, this story in Acts 21 is the clearest example in the New Testament of believers after the death, burial and resurrection of the Messiah, who are zealous for the Torah and keeping the Torah.

Nehemia: When I read the Tanakh, we also have what are called “textual variants”. What do we mean by that? So, we do not have the original copy of the Torah that Joshua wrote on the tablets of stone that were covered with plaster. It’s described in the Book of Joshua. We don’t have the original Torah that Moses completed, that he wrote. We have copies of copies of copies of copies. What we do is we look at different manuscripts and we compare them, and we try to find out what did the original say?

Now, sometimes the differences are very minor. For example, in Exodus 15 there’s a famous example where it says, “Mikdash Adonai konnenu yadecha.” “The Sanctuary of the Lord Your hands have established.” In some manuscripts instead of “Lord” it says, “Yehovah”. That’s kind of important. However, let’s be honest. Adonai and Yehovah, it’s the same deity, it’s the same God. It doesn’t really change the message.

What we have here between the King James Version and other translations is something that fundamentally changes the message. “Do no such thing” is a very significant difference. And what I love about this example is nobody, other than the King James only people, nobody disputes that these six words in Greek, eight words in English, were added. However, what’s interesting is they were added in a relatively early period. You can see here, we have a codex, a famous, important document, Codex Bezae, it dates to the 5th century AD, and it has those six words.

And I love what John did here. He went through numerous manuscripts looking, are they in there, are they not in there? Are they in there, are they not in there? He basically taught himself Greek so he could read and identify these words in the manuscript. In Codex Bezae the six words are included. It says, “Do no such thing,” in the 5th century. That’s very early.

Ephraemi Rescriptus is a really interesting Codex. It’s what called “a palimpsest”. A palimpsest means it was recycled. They took the original Gospel, they washed off the words and they wrote a different text on top of it. What scholars in the 19th century did is they went through this thing with a microscope and took special types of photographs, and they were able to read the erased words.

And what we have marked here in this 5th century… the original text of the palimpsest, it has the six words in Greek, “Do no such thing.”

So, two witnesses, and we can say, “Everything is established by two or three witnesses.” But what do you do when you have two witnesses that say the other way around? Here’s Codex Sinaiticus from the 4th century, and where we’ve marked there in red, that’s where the words do not appear. If the words were in the text, this is where they would be. And they’re not in the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus.

Codex Vaticanus, 4th century, the words are omitted. Where we put in red here is where those words would appear.

So, we have two different versions. And John, what I love about the story you told is at the end, the way you described it to me, is you and your friend were on the phone and you said, “You have your Bible and I have my Bible, and they’re not the same! In one they appear, and in the other they don’t.” Here’s Codex Alexandrinus from the 5th century, the words are omitted. P74 is a papyrus and you think a papyrus must be early. Not necessarily. This one’s later than the Codexes. It’s from the 7th century, the words are omitted.

Here's a quote from two of the greatest New Testament scholars, who wrote a book called The Textual Guide to the Greek New Testament, Omanson and Metzger. Bruce Metzger is a legend in New Testament textual studies. They write, “The reading…” meaning those six words, eight words in the English, “do no such thing,” “is a Western paraphrase of the intent of the decree of James.”

This is really interesting. These guys know that you’re not supposed to keep the Torah. That’s their starting assumption. And if those six words were inserted into the text - which they agree those words were added - that they’re paraphrasing what James’s original intention… “Here’s what James meant to say, even though he didn’t say it.”

[laughter]

So some writer in the western part of the Roman Empire, this western paraphrase, added these six words - eight words in English, six words in Greek - to tell you, “Lest somebody read it and think you are supposed to keep the Torah,” they added these words to make it clear, “do no such thing.” What’s beautiful about this example is this is not a problem of translation. It’s a problem of which manuscript do we rely on? It’s not that the translators of the NRSV took six words out of the Bible. They just based it on a different manuscript.

And if Michael could come along and say, “Hey, it’s not that I’m taking John 6:4 out of the Bible, but I’m relying on a manuscript,” then I think we can have a conversation. If he’s just removing words from your Bible, well, you can take anything out of the Bible then, any verse you don’t like, just pluck it out. But if he has an actual text, then we can have a serious conversation.

Does that make any sense? I hope it does.

So we’ve got these six words that are added. With that said, now I want to get to John 6:4 and see what we have. What is the evidence… because there’s got to be a text. There’s got to be evidence in a manuscript, in a document somewhere. It can’t just be, “I don’t like that verse. It doesn’t fit my theory.” That’s not acceptable.

John: And as Christian believers, we have to be willing to go beyond the version that we have before us.

Nehemia: Tell us how it ended with your friend?

John: Unfortunately, we never saw eye-to-eye. I asked him, I said, “Your version says this. My version says that. Let’s look into the text.” His response was, “I don’t need to.” I said, “One of these versions is inspired, and one of these versions isn’t. Which one is the inspired text?” And he says, “The King James.” [laughter] I said, “Okay, well, the King James was revised several times the first year it was printed.”

Nehemia: We went together to the Museum of the Bible. Tell them about that.

John: I happen to have a photo of my phone from the King James exhibit, which has many different printings of the King James Bible. The banner above reads, “150 years of revision”. So I sent him a photo from the Museum of the Bible. [laughter] When it ended, the answer was, “The version that’s in my hand.”

Nehemia: Wow.

Michael: There was even in the exhibit, there’s a version of the King James Bible that was printed, it’s known as the Wicked Bible. There was a misprint, but it was printed to say, “Thou shall commit adultery.” [laughter] Thank God he didn’t have that version in his hand.

[laughter]

Nehemia: I must get this version! How do I get it?

Michael: Nehemia, you were at the Museum of the Bible, you handled scrolls that were hundreds and hundreds of years old from all over the world.

Nehemia: Yeah, the Museum of the Bible actually has the most important collection in the world, the largest collection in the world, of Torah scrolls, and they let me there into the vaults, together with John, to examine some of these manuscripts. The same type of thing we’re talking about in the New Testament, we were looking at in the Old Testament, in the Tanakh, looking at these different Torah scrolls and comparing differences. There are no two manuscripts of any book that’s ever been written that are identical.

When people study the writings of Julius Caesar, that Julius Caesar invaded Britain and he crossed the Rubicon, we’re looking at manuscripts, and no two manuscripts are identical. Now, you might think, “Well, we know exactly what happened in ancient Rome based on the documents describing Julius Caesar.” We actually know a lot less about what happened with Julius Caesar than we do when it comes to the New Testament. In fact, the documentation of the New Testament has been described as “the best documented book from the ancient world.” There are more witnesses to that than almost, I think, any other book in existence, maybe even more than the Tanakh, because I think there are more manuscripts.

And the reason these are so important is what happened is, today when we go to print a book, we create a PDF, and they produce identical copies of that PDF. What they did in ancient times is Paul would send the letter to the Thessalonians. Then somebody would come and visit the Thessalonians and copy that letter, and they’d bring it back to, say, Corinth. Then somebody would visit Corinth and they’d say, “That’s a cool letter you’ve got from Paul,” and they would copy that.

This is how these books were disseminated throughout the Christian world. Because of that, sometimes errors were reproduced, but then sometimes also the correct version was reproduced. And sometimes you’ll look at the thousands of manuscripts and you’ll find the error is in the thousands, and it’s only a small number that have the correct reading.

That is the example with Acts 21:25. Those six words that were added that everyone except for the King James only people agree, were added. Every scholar in the world agrees those words were added - every serious scholar - those six words appear in the vast majority of New Testament manuscripts. They’re in what’s called the Byzantine/Majority Text. If you took the statistics, you would find a very high percentage have those added words, and only a relatively small number, in this case of early manuscripts, have the original reading where those words are not included, or they’re omitted.

So you can’t just follow the majority of manuscripts, and you can’t always follow, as we’ll see, the earliest manuscripts. You have to look at the evidence and see what support there is for something. That’s what we’re going to do with John 6:4. The last thing I want is for somebody to walk out of here and say, “Well, I can’t trust my Bible anymore.”

In fact, my takeaway from this, from doing this study, is that the documentation for the New Testament is astounding. When you compare this to any other ancient document, we have more evidence for this to support the reading in the Greek… And I actually had this conversation with John. I said, “When I taught about The Hebrew Yeshua Versus the Greek Jesus, one of the things I said was, ‘Don’t throw away your Greek text. That’s not what I’m saying.’ What I’m saying here is the Hebrew is another witness to what the original read, but the Greek is still the primary text.” John said to me something really funny. He said, “What do you mean? I watched your video. You said we should get rid of our Greek texts….”

John: No, no, no. I didn’t say that.

Nehemia: [laughing] No? What did you say?

John: But I had no recollection of you saying that. You hold your book out and you’re like, “It’s here in my book.”

Nehemia: I had to show him where I literally, directly said that. Because still, the Greek is the primary witness and it cannot be discounted. Now, with all that, let’s get to John 6:4. John 6:4, and here I’m going to pass it off to Michael, because Michael, to me, the question has to be asked before we even get to the evidence, the actual documentary evidence, what makes you think John 6:4 shouldn’t be in the Gospels in the first place?

Michael: That’s an excellent question, and I would like to bring us up to the chart. Now, this chart right up here, of course you can’t see it all, but I’m going to illustrate something on this right here, that is very important. This is the day that Yeshua is baptized. Matthew, Mark and Luke all cover or speak about the 40 days that he is in the wilderness. Then, the temptation, and this is also the day that the Pharisees send Levites and Kohanim down to ask John, “Are you the Messiah? Are you the Prophet?” On that very same day.

Then, the next day, Yeshua comes out of the wilderness and this is the Gospel of John. Matthew, Mark and Luke stop with the 40 days and the temptation. Then John picks up and shows Yeshua going up to the feast of Passover. Then, after Passover, he stays in the area of Jerusalem and baptizes. Then John in Chapter 4:1, when Yeshua finds out that the Pharisees now know that He’s making and baptizing more disciples than John, though Yeshua baptizes not, only His disciples baptize, it is at that point when He’s gaining popularity, that He leaves Jerusalem and goes up into the Galilee… 18 hours north of Jerusalem, it’s the woman at the well.

He stays with the Samaritans a few days, and then goes back to Canaan, where he had turned the water to wine before Passover. Then He does not have time to go and minister to this wealthy man whose son is dying. He says, “Go your way, your son is healed.” The man finds out the next day on his way back that his son has been healed, and Yeshua is then up in Jerusalem, just a few days later on Friday. Then the Sabbath. That’s the day he heals a man who was lame for 38 years, on the Sabbath, the day before Shavuot.

On Shavuot, the next day, there’s a multitude on the Temple Mount, and this is when it says the Pharisees are making plans to kill Him, because He just healed a man on the Sabbath day and then told the man to pick up his bed and walk, which is breaking Pharisee law.

It says, Yeshua’s on the Temple Mount and He said, “John was a burning and shining light. You were willing to rejoice in his light for a season.” It is at that point that Yeshua knows that John, while He was in the Galilee, Yeshua was in the Galilee, John has been put in prison. Now, Matthew, Mark and Luke all tell us that when Yeshua finds out that John’s been put in prison, He departs from the Galilee and begins to teach in the synagogue. This is Him teaching in the synagogue. The first one was Nazareth, where He read the prophesy of Isaiah, the acceptable year of the Lord. It’s at the end of the week, because it’s on the Sabbath, it’s on the seventh day, the first day of the week was Shavuot. This begins the acceptable year of the Lord. This is from His ministry, the acceptable year of the Lord from one Shavuot to the Shavuot year, Pentacost, when He baptizes His followers with the Holy Spirit.

And so this is John covering all the way up to Shavuot, then Matthew, Mark and Luke. This is the training of the disciples, sending the Apostles out in the sixth month and then regathering, and when He regathers them in the Galilee, they all come together and they’re bringing a multitude with them. This is when Yeshua feeds a multitude of 5,000 plus women and children.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the one and only miracle covered by all four Gospel authors. This gives us a moment in time, a moment in which all four Gospels can be synchronized with absolutely no error and you go both ways and everything fits. There’s not a day missing. There’s not a week. There’s not an issue that’s missing in all of the Gospel records of Yeshua’s ministry – a 70-week ministry, 490 days from the day He’s baptized to the day He baptizes with the Holy Spirit. Already, you’re putting things together in your brain about the Book of Daniel and all. But literally, 70 weeks.

After the 62nd week, after 62 weeks, the 63rd week, that one week He’s cut off in the midst of the week. After three days and three nights in the grave, He’s raised from the dead on the Sabbath, and then the next day, or at sunset, it is the day of first fruits, and we count seven from there. Seven Sabbaths. So we’ve got 62 x 7s. After 62 x 7s we’ve got 1 x 7. We’ve got in the midst of seven and then we’ve got the seven Sabbaths that count us and bring us all the way to the finishing of Yeshua’s ministry, which is the baptizing of His followers on the day of Shavuot.

Now, we’ve got a problem. John 6:4 is among those four Gospels that record the feeding of the 5,000. But words were added, “And Passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.” That is the key. Ladies and gentlemen, I tried for 20 years to make the Gospel record fit, and I could not make it fit. The last thing I wanted to do is take out a verse from the Bible. But if those words, if “Passover, a feast of the Jews is nigh,” and it’s the end of the sixth month, John 6:4 is Passover, but John 7 is Tabernacles. Wait! We’ve got a whole half-year of blank space to get to a Passover that Yeshua never goes up to.

And then you’ve got another half-year of blank space to get back to the Feast of Tabernacles that He does go to. So Matthew, Mark and Luke all have Tabernacles right after the feeding of the 5,000. But what does the “Passover feast of the Jews” add in? A whole year of blank space, and that is the whole motivation… I’m not going to say what the motivation is, because we’re going to let the early Church Fathers and what John has found out - we’re going to let him tell you why they did this.

Nehemia: Excellent, wonderful. All right, Michael. Your explanation of John 6:4 being added has what’s called “explanatory scope”. If you remove John 6:4, then the Gospel chronology makes a lot more sense in the way you’ve explained it. And as I said in the beginning, I can’t say whether John 6:4 was added or not. What I can do is provide you the evidence.

What’s interesting to me is Eusebius, who is known, and we’ll bring the quote later, of how Eusebius believes in a three-and-a-half-year ministry. Even Eusebius admits that Matthew, Mark and Luke record a one-year period. Here’s what Eusebius writes in his Church History. Eusebius lived in the 4th century, he was the court historian of Constantine. He writes, “For it is evident that the three Evangelists,” meaning Matthew, Mark and Luke, “recorded only the deeds done by the Savior for one year after the imprisonment of John the Baptist and indicated this as the beginning of their account.” What that means is that the other two-and-a-half years of Eusebius’ reckoning of the ministry have to be before the imprisonment of John the Baptist, and we’ll see that later.

Let’s get a quick overview of the feasts. There are six feasts mentioned in the Gospel of John. These are John 2, the Passover when Yeshua is baptized. John 5 is the unnamed feast. We’re going to keep talking about the unnamed feast, the unnamed feast. That’s John 5. It says, “After this there was a feast of the Jews.” It doesn’t say the name of the feast. According to Michael’s chronology, that is Shavuot.

Michael: Shavuot.

Nehemia: We’ll talk about that later. John 6:4 is a Passover. John 7 is Tabernacles. John 10 is Hanukkah, dedication. And John 13 is the final Passover, of course. If you don’t have John 6:4 in that mix, then you end up with the cycle exactly like the other three Gospels, of a year. You have the exact cycles, Passover, Shavuot, Sukkot, Hanukkah, and then another Passover ending that year. And John 6:4 is thrown into this mix breaking that cycle.

It isn’t just Michael who’s said, “Something’s not right here.” There have been scholars for 400 years at least who have been saying this as well. Before we get to them, I want to bring a Church Father. The Church Fathers were these early Christian authors. We’ll explain more in a little bit. This is a man named John Chrysostom, and he really hated the Jews. He particularly hated that there were Christians in his day who went to Jewish synagogues and were what he saw as Judaizing. That really burned him the wrong way.

So he's commenting on John 6:4 and he’s dealing with the question, “What on earth is Yeshua doing in the Galilee, heading north, when it’s Passover and he should be heading south to Jerusalem?” It makes no sense, even to John Chrysostom who hates Jews, and hates the Torah. Here’s what he says. “How then, sayeth someone, does He not go up unto the feast, but when all are pressing to Jerusalem because it’s Passover…” you go to Jerusalem on Passover, “goeth Himself into Galilee?” That’s the wrong direction! “And not Himself alone, but He takes His disciples with Him and proceeds then to Capernaum.” If you know the geography, Capernaum, He’s heading north-east. Jerusalem is south-west! So what’s the reason He’s going the wrong direction and He’s leading a bunch of people in the wrong direction? Here’s his answer, of John Chrysostom, “Because henceforth, He was quietly annulling the Torah, taking occasion from the wickedness of the Jews.” [laughter] And this is what you end up with with John 6:4, which really doesn’t make a lot of sense.

There’s a great movie from the ‘80s, one of my favorite movies, it’s a movie with John Candy, I forget what it’s called, but he’s driving on a divided highway, going the wrong direction. They’re going down and somebody shouts at them out the window, “You’re going the wrong way!” He turns to his friend and he says, “How do they know where we’re going?” [laughter] Yeshua’s going the wrong way! He’s heading north instead of Jerusalem for the pilgrimage.

Michael: The Capernaum synagogue is filled with people too, when He gets there.

Nehemia: The synagogue’s filled with people. There’s 5,000 people, it describes. What are they doing in the countryside? They should all be heading to Jerusalem, not standing around without provisions. Right? If they’re heading to Jerusalem then they should have food with them for the way. Instead, He’s got to feed them, because they were just out for an afternoon. They just came to hear Him teach. So something doesn’t fit, and this is important - Michael’s not the first one to come up with this.

John: Not only does it not fit, but this is a problem for all Christians. This isn’t just a problem if you have a one-year ministry. It’s not just a problem if you believe you should obey the Torah. This is a problem for all Christians. Even if you believe the Torah was done with at the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua… Many Christians I’ve talked to – and there are a few – that believe that Yeshua went around purposely violating the Torah, but they’re a minority. Most Christians understand that Yeshua had to be the lamb without blemish. He could not be a transgressor of the Torah and be sacrificed as a perfect sacrifice.

So here we have a Gospel account, if John 6:4 is in the Gospel text, we have Yeshua not only disobeying the command of Passover but taking others with him and participating in a large group of people who are not participating in Passover.

A couple of days later He’s in the synagogue teaching to people who are not at Passover. You have this whole problem of an entire Passover that is being disregarded and Yeshua’s at the center of it.

Michael: Thank you, Nehemia. Thank you, John.

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  • Ted CravenTed says:

    The ESV, NIV, NRS, NASV, NRSV, RSV, ERV and other recent translations are based on the Greek New Testament texts of Jesuit coadjutors Westcott and Hort, who leaned heavily on the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus.

    Codex Sinaiticus is definitely a FAKE! (See “Is the ‘World’s Oldest Bible’ a Fake?” by David W. Daniels for more info.) Codex Vaticanus appeared mysteriously in the Vatican library in the 15th century and Erasmus excluded it from his Greek NT text because of rumors that it was a forgery. The Vatican library also gave us notorious “Donation of Constantine” and Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals which even the Roman Church now admits are forgeries.

  • Ricardo says:

    Something else I want to clarify and is that not only the Textus Receptus of Erasmus has the difference marked in Acts 21:25, but also the majority Byzantine Text of 2005, that of the Greek Orthodox Church of 1904, Scrivener’s version of 1894 and it. perhaps more important, the Beza text of 1598. Some of which I have named have a different origin than the manuscripts used by Erasmus.
    Ricardo

  • Marilyn Nave says:

    “Do no such thing” refers to what they were telling Paul to do to prove his Torah obedience. He is going to participate in a nazarite vow and pay for the sacrificial animals to be used by the others also participating in that vow. But the gentiles coming to Torah, don’t need to prove their obedience in this way. “Do no such (nazarite vow). Instead, prove your Torah obedience, gentiles by ……………. and the rest of Torah, you will learn in the synagogues on Sabbath.” That’s paraphrase of the conversation in my opinion.

  • ricardo says:

    With all due respect, I wish to write to you that you in the United States have a serious problem: you still believe that you are the center of the world. That “great” discovery that they make regarding the book of Acts we have known about it for more than a decade. Well, even Christians can read it from the Reina Valera version: “Because Moses from ancient times has in every city who preaches it in the synagogues, where it is read every Sabbath.” We are hundreds of believers in Yeshua who know the text and based on it we move. Bearing the Testimony of Yeshua and keeping the commandments as indicated in Revelation 12:17.
    Ricardo

  • KT says:

    First off, I loved the discussion about how there are more historical records and textual evidence regarding the New Testament than works on other historical subjects — although the latter is automatically taken on greater trust by many modern readers and writers of criticisms and pseudo-encyclopedias (especially those On-line).

    I’m no scholar, but I kind’a always interpreted the verse of Acts 21:25 a bit differently from what sounded like an all-or-nothing debate voiced on the first part of John 6:4. Granted, being almost deaf, I may have missed the nuances of the discussion.

    My always read the verse as James, Paul, et al saying “they observe no such thing” to be meant in context of the practices being brought forth as concern at that incident: circumcision, ceremonial purification, and customs [my understandung is the term interpreted “law” in some versions can also mean “customs” [i.e., Jewish or cultural practices]. I never interpreted the verses to mean Gentile Christians need not follow the Ten Commandments (as one of the speakers may jokingly expressed as applying an all-or-nothing interpretation. If fact, other Bible verses (e.g., where Paul speaks out against those seeking to circumcision, keeping of days, ceremonial washing, eating “clean” vs “unclean”, etc.).

    Anyway, that was how I interpreted the verse, but that’s just from reading it and not being a language or textual scholar.

  • BILL says:

    OH MICHAEL, HOW I LOVE THE WAY YOU DID THE CHART WOW!

  • BILL says:

    But in the minds of taught believers it begs the question: What does Jesus clearly mean when He says:
    “This is the new covenant in my blood” which in my minds should read:
    This is the New Covenant
    NOW in
    My blood INSTEAD OF
    the required blood of bulls and goats in the original covenant because the Temple is gone and I now provide the blood demands of YEHOVAH, My Father and only the
    BLOOD ORDINANCES have been removed. (Acts-James you mentioned)
    The disciples I think understood the but thanks to Marcion and Constantine Jew haters they muddled the clarity on purpose!

  • BILL says:

    AT 82 I HAVE CONCLUDED THAT YEHOVAH PLANNED THIS AND HAS IT COVERED IN THE END. NO ONE WILL BE PERFECT ENOUGH TO CONTEST W YEHOVAH!

  • Sheila Price says:

    Excellent teaching! Thank you SO much for making this clear. It OBVIOUSLY was added… Yeshua would NOT have broken Torah and lead others to do it also.
    Thank you… I have also been reading KJV and leaving out the italic words and more times than not, OT and NT both… the italic words change the meaning all together… I’m NOT a KJV fan any more.

  • Phillip Bradshaw says:

    This underscores why we to expedite the publishing of the restored text of the Unabridged Holy Bible [no, the title does not exist, I hereby take credit for coining the term and grant use of the title in exchange for production of a Holy Bible that is free of scribal errors and alterations] Miles Jones is working on the Hebrew B’rit Chadashah, but we need the whole Tanakh restored as well. Like the 780 years edited from B’resheet 11: 12 – 24, all is important to understand the origins of humanity and intent of Yehovah.

  • Eunice Embury Johnson says:

    Hi Nehemia. I have an English translation here of the “original Aramaic New Testament” where those six words are missing in Acts 21:25. However John 6: 4 IS included.

  • Pol says:

    Question….you say …The probleem was entering the synagoge …….I read that the question, discussion was …. if it was possible or not to be saved without cirumcission in acts 15……..?
    I think you displace the core of the discussion, no ?

  • denl says:

    Very informative… Excellent Presentation

  • Alison Bond says:

    Absolutely eye opening! So grateful for your research and explanations! Looking forward to the next few parts!

  • daniel says:

    Gotta Love N.G. because he’s brave enough to pose the tough questions, and these two verses in N.T. are doozeys! Is the Torah applicable or not? “Well, God divorced Israel, didn’t He?” is the standard Christian response. A good grasp of the Prophets is essential to determine the difference between Israel and Judah – the two Kingdoms after they split from combined Israel – or is the prophet referring to a millennial rule of recombined twelve tribes, or a single kingdom before the split? Or simply calling Jacob by a new name? Let’s just take a look at Hosea, for example (better use the original Hebrew text) ; not far into the 2nd chapter it becomes clear which one YHVH ‘divorced’ and which one He would never ‘divorce’. Don’t take my word for it, and don’t trust some well meaning preacher – rather work it out for yourself.

    • daniel says:

      The natural man is at enmity with the Law. When the Law is ‘written on the inward parts’, a yearning to return to the master and His instructions takes place. To be ‘grafted in’ requires Torah observance. It has taken me decades to get this far, and over the doctrines and dogma of senseless churchianity. I thank N.G., M.R. and K.J. for the Torah Pearls, etc. to open my eyes and read His Word in proper understanding.

      • Deborah Shively says:

        We have to be grafted in by faith in the atonemnet first, that;s the only way we can be grafted in. Then after we have been joined in this way then the Holy Spirit drives us into God’s word. You can’t put the cart before the horse, it doesn’t work that way. When someone is baptized with the Holy Spirit, that’s what happens, He directs us into God’s word, but you have to have the spirit first, and the only way you can get the Holy Spirit is through faith in the Messiah Jesus’ death and resurrection. That’s when we recive the circumcision of the heart. We have to keep this commandment, “Abide in the Vine” (John 15) or we cannot do anything without being joined to the Lord as He said.

    • Deborah Shively says:

      God never “divorced” Israel, they broke their covenant with Him.

      • Zhui Feng says:

        Micheal Michael, you just had to go and open this can of worms now didn’t you?
        Ha ha ha ?. Well God bless you sir!
        The truth matters and God is all about truth.

        I remember hearing about this issue back in the late 80’s. Main stream Christianity has a way of silencing anyone who doesn’t hold to their doctrines.

        I looked on the internet and found those who slander Micheal Rood but, I didn’t find Micheal Rood slandering anyone.
        I think that kind of speaks for itself.

        I’m glad you guys are addressing these issues and I’m looking forward to the other 3 parts.

        I have spent my life looking for the truth and it always matters even if it doesn’t have anything to do with salvation.

        The Apostle Saul said there would be a great falling away from the churches in the very last days and then the lawless one would be revealed. I think the truth coming out will be the cause of that.

        In those days Yehovah will pour out his Spirit on all flesh! Now what will that look like? Dogs and cats with the Holy Spirit?
        Follow me menoew! Maybe a cat would talk and lead someone to food or safety?
        Hey, I’m just saying…..

        Keep up the good work guys!
        I’m always looking for a revelation.
        May Yehovah be with you, Shalom.

        • Nicholas Hempshall says:

          In those days Yehovah will pour out his Spirit on all flesh!

          Pretty sure this means all human flesh and not animals

          But we have the promise that “the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God”

      • Hugo says:

        Jer 3.8 …..what is that all about then?

  • Yvonne Russell says:

    Deborah: It’s not the amount of years studying Scripture that qualifies as insight, it’s the spirit that opens the eyes and ears of his chosen and that has no time frame.

    • Deborah Shively says:

      Exactly. We program ourselves with the word of God, and the Holy Spirit coordinates and reveals scripture. God has inserted clues to Messiah’s idenity throughout HIs word and the Spirit connects the dots so to speak. But one has to be really familiar with all of the scripture for that Holy Spirit programming to work. He can’t bring to mind scriptures that you haven’t inserted into your brain.

  • daniel says:

    COMING SOON is what it says on the header before comment section.

  • Neville Newman says:

    I am so very glad that you (and John, and T-Bone) have decided to tackle 
    this issue.

    In “The Jonah Code”, Michael Rood discussed mostly one particular text
    fragment along with some references to Eusebius, etc. 

    Later, in his “The Chronological Gospels”, manuscript version, 4.5 pages 
    of introduction are devoted to John 6:4 and the larger-scope question of 
    the length of Yeshua’s ministry in Israel.  Most of that material is internal 
    evidence from scripture, along with common sense logic.  There is a 
    paragraph which mentions Clement of Alexandria, Tertulliah, Origen, 
    Lactanius, etc. and the chronology given by the RCC’s Catholic 
    Encyclopedia.

    Some (e.g. Tim Hegg, as expected) ridiculed Michael’s teaching re. John 6:4 .
    Hegg based his objection on the idea that the only supposed evidence for 
    Michael’s position is a tiny number of late manuscript fragments and therefore 
    the majority (of manuscripts) should rule. 

    We know, however, that errors can often propagate wildly over time. Even 
    a scintilla of evidence that there is an error of this magnitude in our texts 
    seems to me to demand thorough investigation.

    About a year ago, in early 2019, I stumbled upon a book by Professor 
    Arne Strand from the University of Oslo entitled “The Timetable of 
    Jesus Christ”.  Strand includes in the book a lot of his own largely 
    traditional Christian eschatology, but it is worth powering through the 
    book anyway because Strand’s research, documentation, and reasoning 
    regarding the duration of Yeshua’s ministry (and the John 6:4 question, 
    in particular), is outstanding.

    I’ve not seen any indication in anything published by Michael Rood or 
    by Professor Strand that these two have ever met, talked, collaborated,
    or studied each other’s work. 

  • Pastor Billy Meacham says:

    Nehemia, I’d be interested to know what your thoughts on David W. Daniels book about evidence that the Codex Sinaiticus was written by Constatine Simonides. It has bearing on whether you should use it as evidence that John 6:4 should not be included.

  • donald murphy says:

    why try to join righteousness with unrighteousness. NT is all false.

  • jameswilson3 says:

    Nehemia,
    Will you address the converse? Who added John 6:4?
    Also curious about who added the 6 add words in Acts 21:25.
    May not be possible yet I understand.
    Thank you.

  • Cadence says:

    Can someone please clue me in on the identity of John, the man in the center of the panel? His last name is not given in the blurb of this post; in fact the “we” is not specifically defined. MR I recognize, and Nehemia ofc (that should be obvious!!) but I would like to know more about John and his scholarship. Thank you!

    • Neville Newman says:

      It sounded like Nehemia said “John Larroquette”. That may be correct, although this John is not the actor Larroquette (who is 72 years old).

  • Deborah Shively says:

    Regarding the insertion of John 6:4 into the text, if we look at the overall context, we can see that from the time period of the Passover which was approaching to the fall and the feast of Tabernacles, Jesus had to withdraw for this season because the people wanted to make Him king (v 15) so He would not have been able to keep the Passover at that time, He had to leave and He could not “walk in Jewry” also at this time because the Jews wanted to kill Him (7:1).

    • Yvonne Russell says:

      You’re reaching for straws. He did nothing nor said anything in secret as he stated at his trail.

      • Deborah Shively says:

        It might behoove you to actually read the text. It does not say He did anything in secret, He had to withdraw from certain areas and people in order to continue His ministry.

        • Yvonne Russell says:

          Hi Deborah: Sorry you think I’m not ethical. But I believe you’re reading into the Scripture. Deut 4:2; Rev 22:18-9 Don’t add additional words with speculation into what you think happened nor subtract what is already given. I always try to stick with this commandment. I believe that’s what the Christian Pharisees have done all along throughout the ages – add and subtract. That’s what makes everything complicated and people get confused and then start to argue over their doctrine. Deut 29:29 the secret things belong to God. Hope this explains my position.

          • Deborah Shively says:

            I just read the scriptures describing what happened bewteen the mention of the Passover and the feast of the Tabernacles. The people wanted to make Jesus King (verse 15) and the Jews wanted to kill him (7:1) so He had to withdraw from those areas. That’s what it says and I’m not reading anything into it at all. I take the Scriptures at face value and keep it simple.

        • Yvonne Russell says:

          Deborah: I can see why people get disgusted and don’t respect Christianity. As you reference: Rev. 22:3 it means: There will be no more curse referring to Mt Ebal which contained the curses. The two mountains were there for choice if God’s people obeyed his commandments they would choose blessings. If not, they would choose to be cursed.

          People get curses individually by choice. It has nothing to do with the ground curse. You have to distinguish the difference.

          Also you refer to Adam/Eve fig covering. Learn the parable of the fig tree. You’re taking words out of context and you assume together that they mean the same point.
          I believe you complicate what Christ taught. Your ego is heavily involved and I see this with “Christians” by their doctrinal absolutism. I believe the written Word and I have studied it – don’t know it all – but what I have studied I understand as only the spirit can reveal. I refuse to argue about God’s Word that I know is true. That doesn’t mean I disagree with some of what you’ve admitted even if in a condescending manner. To pontificate with your confused knowledge is regretful. Almighty God requested his child to have a contrite spirit and a humble heart as the divine counsel instructed Job. That is what God requires even in the OC. That is the only way anyone will have the truth revealed to them. I don’t see that at all in a host of “Christians” but only a lofty, controlling spirit of weaponized dissent.

          • Deborah Shively says:

            I appreciate your feedback dear, but you need to restrain yourself from judging me, that is sin. My perspective is coming from forty years of study, with a particular emphasis on typology.
            If you look at the Eden scenario carefully, you can see very clearly that man’s attempts to cover themselves with leaves is a failure. Man cannot cover his own sin, it has to be done by an act of God, a sacrifice He makes which is the obvious point of the story. From that point on the narrative continues to its fulfillment by Jesus’ sacrifice.
            Isaiah must have had this scene in mind when he said all our righteousness is as filthy rages and they fade as a leaf.
            As far is the curse in concerned, we will have to agree to disagree. I believe you are reading things into the simple text.There’s a reason for all these earthquake’s and floods. The curse is aggravated by man’s sin and until there is repentance it’s only going to get worse as the Bible warns us.

    • daniel says:

      If He didn’t keep Pesach, then He can’t be the Messiah(and I wouldn’t keep capitalizing ‘He’). The True Messiah has to keep the 3 Pilgrimage Feasts every year by actually going up to the Temple Mount in participation.

      • Deborah Shively says:

        Jesus has to be the true Messiah. According to the prophet Daniel, in chapter nine, there is an Anointed One killed before Jerusalem is destroyed which happened in 70AD.Jesus was killed before that destruction. Then after that all we get is the “Prince that is to come” from the people who destroyed the city. One of the manuscripts says he arrives on the wings of horrors. You correlate this with Daniel eleven which is in two parts, the first is referring to Antiochus Epiphanes,a foreshaow of the false messiah, then there is a couple of what I call bridge scriptures inserted describing the exploits of God’s people which transitions us to the time of the “Prince that is to come” and we can see he is making everyone miserable, instigating the time of Jacob’s trouble up to the last judgment. We correlate this with Zechariah 14 and we see Jesus coming back to destroy him and instigate the prophesied time of peace. There is no other scenario supported by God’s word. We also have to understand that the messiah can’t be a mere man, because that time of peace would only be as long as a man’s life time. David is a similitude of the messiah who will rule forever Ezekiel 37:25. This is one reason why Jesus had to come first to die, because when He returns He will have His resurrected body and cannot die. When we look at Zechariah 14, we see this One who returns and has the supernatural power to split the mount of Olives is referred to as God.

  • Deborah Harrison says:

    Great teaching. This is just one of many discrepancies we find in nt.
    Father, open our eyes and ears to see and hear Your absolute truth. Hallelujah!

  • Neville Newman says:

    The information from the Museum of the Bible about the KJV’s “150 years of revision” is technically correct but I think it is overstated in the short reference given here to the MotB’s KJV exhibit.

    I do not subscribe to the absolute inerrancy of any Bible that I can put my hands (or eyes) on. It is said that every translator is a liar, and there are certainly translation errors we can point to in KJV, NIV, etc. But as for revisions, and by that I mean revisions that change the real meaning of the text (and which weren’t typos), those are few and far between. One reason, and I suspect the main one, is that such revisions reduce confidence in the work overall and no author or editor wants to do that.

    The articles referenced below include an excerpt from a book, but it is a book which I have not read. Therefore I cannot say anything about the rest of the book. But this section, which is written by a serious (rabid?) proponent of the KJV, does point out good information about the history of the “revisions”. The second reference is a letter to and response by an author of an influential Bible-focused web site, on this topic. All of the material is illuminating w.r.t. the scope and nature of changes to Bible texts.

    Use your favorite web search tool to look for “chick information king james revised since 1611”.
    Then also search for “Changes to the KJV since 1611: An Illustration”.

  • Deborah Shively says:

    I think you guys are missing the point on some of this. In Jeremiah’s prophecy of the new covenant, God says that He would put His law in the heart, Jeremiah (31:31-33). This implanting of the law in the heart is achieved when the Holy Spirit is released into the heart of a believer in Yeshua. When the Holy Spirit is in the heart of the believer the believer is guided by the Spirit of God in Him and the result of this relationship causes a believer to naturally walk in God’s moral law. If we fail through human weakness, we are restored through repentance. What God is concerned with most is the new creature, a transformed life which the law was never capable of doing, it must be a work of the Holy Spirit. To witness a genuine outpouring of the Holy Spirit today visit holyspirit.tv

    • Yvonne Russell says:

      God also said, he expected his people to study the scriptures in order to know him. Many “religions” think they know Christ yet they have different interpretations of who exactly he is. He said, he would reject those who thought they knew him when they went about to invent their own interpretations of do-goodisms. He said, you have used my name and made up you’re own interpretation. Therefore, depart from me, I never knew you. You didn’t consider my instructions. He is saying they never bothered to find out who he really is. This is a serious matter. That was the major fault of the Pharisees. The could not connect the dots. They had the oracles but didn’t understand them.

      Yes, the Holy Spirit is important as it leads into all truth. One must know God as Job was instructed to know him but not from man’s viewpoint but only from God’s Word. Those that truly know God are the wisest. Wisdom is justified by her children. I have no problem with people trying to “study the Scriptures” God required it. He did not say you have to be a genius with only one right answer. It takes thought and effort to find him as he said in Jer. 29:13. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. How do you seek him, through his Word That is a promise I don’t think any rationale person could refuse.

      Do not take my name in vain. Do not misquote me or mis represent me in any way. You have been given the instructions. Therefore, do so as I command. Everyone will have to answer for themselves before God. If the findings are of truth, they will know it confidently. They have been given that tool to comprehend it via the Holy Spirit.

      I salute these men, Nehemia, John, MR for their efforts in trying to get to the bottom of what God is saying. You’re on your own before God. This is a spiritual endeavor.

      • Deborah Shively says:

        I believe that the Holy Spirit leads us to study the scriptures and He also gives us the meaning in the Light of the New Covenant.

        • Yvonne Russell says:

          The New Covenant is a composite of all the Old Covenants. Only difference is God would write his Word on their hearts. Christ said he wasn’t changing any laws. Law would remain until all is fulfilled, All the old Covenants are still valid.

          Covenant bet God/Adam – man/woman, woman childbirth, predicted first coming/still with us;

          Noah/rainbow/ground no longer cursed/ still with us;

          Abram/father of all families/personal covenant with Jews circumcision/land only, still with us;

          Moses/10 Commandments/ sacrificial system resulting in broken covenant fulfilled, bread wine covenant replaces sacrificial covenant/still with us;

          Davidic Kingdom/Christ will rule forever on throne of his Father David/still with us

          New covenant is all of these only exception is written on hearts. This is his Word to be understood through studying all Scripture.

          Christ told Pharisees if you don’t know or believe Moses you don’t know me. Christ referenced Genesis/Isaiah/Daniel/Jeremiah, etc.

          Holy Spirit is active only if believer follows Christ’s commandments. Love God, love neighbor covers entire law of God’s covenants from Genesis onward. 1John said check the spirits they are not all of God. Many teachings say that Holy Spirit is coupled with Grace for all. That is conditional. I believe Word has to be understood with meaning for the entire Word of God and what he stood for. The Pharisees taught the Oral Law was preeminent to written law. I see it as the Christian Pharisees are doing the same.

          • Deborah Shively says:

            The New Covenant is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant that actually contained the prophecies, typologies and foreshadows of the New. The New Covenant made in Jesus’ blood enables us to have eternal life, something the Old Covenant could not provide. It could not remove sin. The Holy Spirit is always active in a true believer and is always working to conform us into the image of Jesus and enables us to keep His word.If we are allowing the Holy Spirit to lead us, we will fulfill the written law as God intended without the bondage of legalism. The ground however, is still cursed, hence the earthquakes and other disasters. That curse will not be broken until the New Heaven and earth. God’s promise to Noah is that He would not destroy the earth again by water. Isaiah prophesied that it would be destroyed someday by fire. All this I suspect is to keep us humble and focus our gaze upon God’s kingdom and not this temporal one of shaking ground.

      • Cadence says:

        All NT/Yeshua Believers take note: additional evidence in the NT for post-Ressurection Torah-keeping:
        2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine….
        I would think doctrine includes things such as Feast days, dietary laws, etc. And all must agree at the time Paul wrote this there was only one set of Scriptures, the OT.
        Also James 1:21-22…receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. Be doers of the word and not hearers only……
        So it is not just the body sacrifice of Yeshua that saves us, but the implantation of the word, in the heart, to the point that we are doing it, performing it faithfullly all the time, that saves us. Again this was written when the OT was the only word that James could be referring to, and in a post-Resurrection timeframe.

        • Deborah Shively says:

          We are saved by the atonement, and if we are saved the Spirit of God works in us to change us into the people God wants us to be formed in the image of His Son. When we are filled with the fruits of the Spirit,- love, joy, peace, etc, against these things there is no law- Galatians 5:23; which means the purpose of the law is fulfilled in us. At the same time we use the law as our guide in righteousness, for the law is written for our health and welfare, but it is never for our justification. When we stand at the judgment seat of Christ, He is only looking at how we served the least of these.Matthew 25:32-46. What gains our reward is selflessness, in which Jesus is the ultimate example.

    • Neville Newman says:

      I think this prophecy gets misquoted, misinterpreted, and misapplied almost as much as Jeremiah 29:11 .

      Jeremiah’s full statement here includes the immediate context of the next 3 verses (34-36). To paraphrase (because I already wrote one long comment here 🙂 ), “There will come a day when it will no longer be necessary for one to teach another. I will have placed my instruction into their hearts where it will not be forgotten.”

      More context is given in ch. 33 – the messiah (Branch) will execute righteousness and judgement on the earth.

      • Deborah Shively says:

        Jeremiah’s prophecy covers the instigation of the New Covenat in the Messiah Jesus which continues to it’s final revelation in Zechariah 14 when the Messiah reurns and fulfills the remainder of Jeremiah’s prophecy when no one will need to have the gospel preached because Messiah has returned.

        • Yvonne Russell says:

          Deborah: Your former reply “ground still cursed.” Read Genesis 8:21-22

          • Deborah Shively says:

            You have to read it in conjunction with 9:11, 15 which defines it. God is saying that He won’t curse the earth with a flood again. The ground is still cursed, man still has to till the soil for his bread and we still have thorns and briers Genesis 3:17,18.
            The curse is gone Rev. 22:3 in the new heaven and earth after the earth is destroyed by fire Isaiah 65:17, Rev. 20:11,21:1, II Peter 3:10-11.

    • Cadence says:

      Having the Spirit is not enough. Rom 8:14 Those who are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Having it poured out on you and available to you, and actually listening, heeding, striving to follow its advice, are two different things. The latter is what matters most.

      • Deborah Shively says:

        Absolutely right. Those who are genuine disciples will follow the Spirit wherever He leads. They are not pew sitters!

    • daniel says:

      To have the Law ” written on one’s heart” is a euphemism which is to say ” to know it by heart “. But in the discussion, John is correct to point out that the commandments and will of YHVH is not obscure, rather they are in plain words. The seriously important part of this discussion is regarding the additional words inserted in Acts 21:25 ” and gentiles shall do no such thing”, i.e. the Law of Moses – that would create a new religion. (Forget all the theological gymnastics one could manage out of the Pauline epistles, verse 25 is plainly supporting or negating the Torah!) Choose this day whom you will serve – a Greek invention or a Hebrew Messiah. I don’t think the Law is impossible to keep, as there is always a provision when one falls short. We have a better High Priest than the Aaronic priests – we take it to Yeshuah. In the book of Luke, Zechariah was found faultless in every way in the eyes of YHVH. Why? because he atoned for any mistakes as prescribed by Torah. The Law that is impossible to keep is the Oral Torah of the Pharisees.

      • Deborah Shively says:

        The Gentiles were encouraged to read the law and the prophets for “instructions in righteousness” II Timothy 3:16,17. However we are not justified by the law, we are saved by grace. In actuality, no one was ever justified by law. God instigated grace in Eden, when He made the first sacrifice Himself to cover Adam and Eve.Genesis 3:21. Their own efforts to cover themselves with leaves was futile. We have to be covered by a sacrifice instigated by God thus foreshadowing the future sacrifice of the Messiah Jesus.Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world, Rev. 13:8, and all sins were forgiven on that basis in the Old Testament.

        • daniel says:

          We are judged by the Law, not justified. If you disregard Torah what is anyone’s definition of ‘sin’? Whatever anyone hears from a spirit (Holy or not)? Deceiving spirits are sent as a test, and if they defy or contradict the Torah they are a lying spirit. Is that plain enough?

          • Deborah Shively says:

            Right. That’s very important to make the distinction between being judged by the law and being justified by it. As long as you keep that distinction in mind, you’ll be fine. Just don’t lose sight of the fact that what is most important to God is the transformation of the inner man, which is the work of the Holy Spirit. We can keep the law to the best of our ability, but that won’t develop the qualities of selflessness that God is looking for. We can miss the point of the whole exercise if we are only focusing on Torah keeping and not on letting God change us into the new creatures that the New Covenant was instigated to make possible.

  • Sheryl says:

    I love this teaching on John 6:4. Every church needs to hear this because there is so much deception that is taking away the foundation of our faith which is that Torah that our Messiah Pointed us back to And taught us that it all points back to him. Planes trains and automobiles is one of my favorite movies too! We’re going the wrong way! Thank you for your help!

  • Walter Schwenk says:

    Thanks Nehemia. I have kept Rood’s 70 week teaching at “arm’s length” for years, mainly because of other inconsistencies, but it looks like he makes a good case for this one. A valuable discussion. Will be alert for the rest of them.

  • Yada says:

    I’m confused why its not highlighted that seemingly John disrupts anyone paying attention allllllllllll the time aלללללללללללל the time with these types of things. A big one actually touched on within your examples, but not even mentioned (the 40 days after Jesus was baptized)… if you John 6.29 the alleged conundrum you find that this being this and that being that… the Passover was indeed nigh regardless of all the other details. Was it the date of Passover that was? idk, but the absolute heart of it was indisputably present. the text witnesses to it in an absolute way. If you work to believe in Jesus, and do that which He says… its testament.

  • Debra says:

    Ok, i listened to your comments with regard to Acts 21:25 in which you discuss the 8 words added to the text in the KJV, etc. In this you refer back to Acts 15 and read verse 21, however you failed to continue reading through the text to verses 28 & 29, which is the first time the discussion is made concerning this matter in Acts. Verse 28, “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to lay upon you any greater burden than these indispensable requirements:……etc”. (Amplified)
    I believe that may be a ‘second witness’ that you were referring too.
    If you are going to refute one text be sure you include all the text concerning that particular subject.

    • Walter Schwenk says:

      they were dealing with prospective converts from paganism, not with slaves. They were “treading lightly” to ease them into conformity with the great eternal plan. first we potty train, then we learn not to be cruel or selfish, then on to weightier and more subtle matters of right use. We all gotta start somewhere.

      • Heiki says:

        Amen Walter, it is about where you start, Some taught that one had to become a jew (circumsision being the evidence) before God would listen to you. Paul, Peter, John etc says no, lets not start there. Milk before meat… Jesus said quite clearly he was not here to abolish the Torah (Mat 5:17)

  • thank you for all your good work.

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  • Rocky Jackson says:

    Fascinating to say the least
    Can’t wait for the rest

  • pathhacker says:

    This was a really compelling watch for me today during lunch. Looking forward to the other 3 parts. I’ve read the chronological gospels book by MR, but this video was a great follow up and makes MR less of a loner on this topic. Good stuff. May YHVH bless NW/NG and MR and KJ’s ministries. Keep up the good work.

    When was this this recorded by the way?

  • Arie Kralt says:

    Please show us all the evidence!

  • Yvonne Russell says:

    Fabulous Nehemia! I heard the original show on SNL. MR explained in detail this John 4.6 confusion in his fabulous DVD The Jonah Code. It’s good to see all the evidence that backs it up. So thankful for you, Michael and John for doing all these investigations.

  • Linda Sprague says:

    Please list the scriptures you talk about. I like that you’re.making this a series .Brings more depth.