Hebrew Voices #11 – The Raëlian UFO Jews of Israel

In this episode of Hebrew Voices, The Raëlians UFO Jews of Israel, Nehemia Gordon encounters the Raëlian UFO Jews of Israel. He interviews Kobi Drori, a native Hebrew speaking Jewish Israeli who says “the Jews prayed for the Messiah to come and when he finally came, they didn’t accept him.” Drori believes that Yahweh sent a man named Yeshua of Nazareth to bring good news to the world and that his faith contains “the most important message mankind ever received.”

Drori is the official spokesman for the Raëlians in Israel, which he describes as a “secularist Jewish movement.” The Raëlians believe that Yahweh was a 25,000 year old extraterrestrial who appeared to a French journalist named Claude Vorilhon in 1973. According to Vorilhon, also known as "Raël," the extraterrestrial Yahweh revealed himself to be the president of a planet of scientists who created all life on Earth. The Raëlian movement aims to "demystify religion and spiritualize science."

On August 6, 2015, Raël revealed a new message from the extraterrestrial Yahweh warning of the imminent destruction of the State of Israel. Drori is so convinced of this message that he is leaving the country where he was born and seeking refuge overseas.

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Hebrew Voices #11 – The Raëlian UFO Jews of Israel

You are listening to Hebrew Voices with Nehemia Gordon. Thank you for supporting Nehemia Gordon's Makor Hebrew Foundation. Learn more at NehemiasWall.com.

Nehemia: My guest today is a native, Hebrew-speaking Jewish Israeli, who says, “The Jews prayed for the Messiah to come. And when he finally came, they didn't accept him." He believes his faith contains the most important message mankind ever received. He also believes that Yahweh sent a man named “Yeshua of Nazareth” to bring good news to the world, and that Elohim is a plural noun. He belongs to a movement that wants to build the Third Temple. They don't believe in evolution. His name is Kobi Drori, and I'm speaking to him today at his home in Petah Tikva, Israel. Shalom, Kobi.

Kobi: Shalom, Nehemia.

Nehemia: Some of you might be thinking that Kobi is a Messianic Jew, and that's sort of true, but not in the sense that you're thinking. You see, Kobi is the official spokesman for the Raëlians in Israel, which he described as a "secularist Jewish movement.” The Raëlians believe that Yahweh was a 25,000-year-old extraterrestrial who appeared to a French journalist named Claude Vorilhon. I may be mispronouncing that name, in 1973.

According to Vorilhon, also known as Raël, Yahweh revealed himself to be the head of a team of extraterrestrial scientists who created all life on Earth. Now, you might be thinking Kobi's a complete nutjob, but he truly is an authentic Hebrew Voice. In fact, he doesn't even speak English, so I'm going to do something I've never done before. I'm going to interview Kobi in Hebrew, and then have a voiceover read an English translation of what he said. It is basically what the BBC does. Now, he asked that he have the opportunity to verify the translation before you hear it. So, when you hear the English translation of his words, that translation has been checked and approved by an English speaker on Kobi's behalf, and then someone is gonna read it for us. Shalom, Kobi.

Kobi: Shalom, Nehemia.

Nehemia: I went to your meeting yesterday in Tel Aviv. It was at Dizengoff Center, in the heart of Tel Aviv, and it was the monthly meeting of the Raëlians. And I understand that this may be one of the last, if not the last, Raëlian meeting in Israel, and we'll talk about that. But what made me decide to reach out and contact you was, I was walking down Rachel Imenu Street in Jerusalem, and I walked by the International Christian Embassy. And I remembered I had heard years before that there was some other religion in the world, one other religion in the world that had an embassy, or wanted to build an embassy in Jerusalem, because usually it's countries that have embassies, not religions. And I didn't know what it was, and I went and I looked it up and I found out there was this thing called “Raëlians,” after this man named Raël, Claude Vorilhon. What is it that you guys believe?

Kobi: Actually, it's not connected to belief, but to understanding. We understand and know after we checked and investigated, and compared all the possible religious sources, all the ancient scriptures, that this message can be nothing but true. The message is that all the ancient scriptures in the world, and especially the Hebrew Bible, speak about people who came from the sky, many, many years ago. Through genetic engineering and perfect knowledge of the understanding of DNA, they created all life on planet Earth, starting with small bacteria, fish, and mammals. Eventually, they create man in their image, exactly as it's written in Genesis.

Nehemia: So, you don't believe in evolution. You believe, or you know, as you say, or you understand from your investigation, and what was revealed to Claude Vorilhon, known as Raël, is that… And you don't like the word “alien,” you prefer the word “extraterrestrial.”

Kobi: Right.

Nehemia: So, the extraterrestrial scientists… there's no evolution. They're the ones who created in laboratories all life on Earth, according to your belief, your faith.

Kobi: Correct, correct. And afterwards, they brought their artists who added colors and shapes. They created all this wonderful life that we have on this planet. Just look, with some sense of humor, look at nature. They were very talented people. When the religious Jew, and maybe even the religious Christian, says grace before his meal, this is the right thing to do. Just like when you go to dinner, and at the end of the meal, bless your host for the tasty food she made you, it's the same thing. Every apple, every fruit was created by a team of talented scientists who did it the best way.

Nehemia: Tell us about the encounter. Who was Claude Vorilhon? Well, before we get to Raël, who are you? You were born here in Israel, am I correct?

Kobi: Correct. I was born in Israel in 1953. I'll soon be 63.

Nehemia: I gotta tell you, these Raëlians, they look so young.

Kobi: Thank you. From a very young age, I asked questions. Where do we come from? Where are we going? What are we doing here, anyway? I sought answers in all the possible places. When the first books of Erich von Däniken arrived, I was 16 years old. I jumped on it like someone finding a great treasure. I thought. “Wow, this is 100 percent true,” but I left it. I continued to investigate Kabbalah and knowledge from Hawaii, the Huna, all kinds of knowledge, but I didn't get the answers. On the way I studied psychology. I have a bachelor's degree in psychology, behavioral sciences. Afterwards, I studied business management. Today, I'm a lecturer on all kinds of fields that I developed. That's what I do today. Sixteen years ago, I suddenly found a book that had two sentences on the cover, which were exactly the opposite of what I believed. No supernatural God, no evolution. The truth about our origins.

Nehemia: So, you believe in God. No, that's not correct. You believe in Elohim, and you're a native Hebrew speaker, so this isn't a translation issue, but you believe that the word Elohim means...

Kobi: Those who came from the sky.

Nehemia: Those who came from the sky. So, it doesn't mean gods or God. And you understand Elohim to be plural. In other words, there were multiple...

Kobi: In the original Bible there is no God, no God in the original Bible. In the original Bible, which is in Hebrew, there is only Elohim, and it is a plural word.

Nehemia: And you read the Bible in Hebrew, you're not reading in translation?

Kobi: No, I'm lucky to read it in Hebrew, in the original language, and that's why I can understand what the Bible is talking about. Sorry for my bad English.

Nehemia: No, that's fine. His English is great, I'm gonna try to get the guy to speak in English for the rest of the time. It's perfect. Look, I read the Bible in Hebrew, and I read Elohim, and I have a different understanding than you, but people have heard my position on Elohim. For example, it says, “Elohim bara,” “He created” rather than bar'u, they created. And would you say that that's because they misunderstood, the ancients, the concept of Elohim? I think you had said that in one of your explanations. Or in one of the videos, it talks about how mankind, you thought we were gods, and actually we were just people who came from the sky.

Kobi: Right. In actuality, the first humans lived with them. They knew exactly who they were, but when the Elohim explained to the humans, what they did here... For example, they explained that many years before they landed on planet Earth, they put satellites to revolve around the earth to check the air and the land. The humans couldn't understand this, so they wrote, “And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” They told the humans that they checked the solar radiation to make sure it wouldn't cause damage. And the humans wrote, “And God saw the light that it was good,” and other distortions, because primitive people use their dialect to describe technological things. When thousands of years pass, people don't know what the source was and start to say, “That's what they meant. What do they say to that sage? You're right.” Then someone else says something totally different and, “You're also right.” If there's more than one interpretation of a verse, it's a sign that no one knows the truth.

Nehemia: Well, okay. Let's go back to the creation of mankind, which you told me that when it talks about the snake in the garden, that's actually a metaphor and that it refers to actually a team of scientists. Tell us about that. Who were those team of scientists and who was their head?

Kobi: On planet Earth, seven giant laboratories were set up. In the area of Israel, there was also a laboratory that was on the Temple Mount. The first lab was on the Temple Mount. The team that worked there was called the “snake team.” They were apparently the most talented team, and when they created the human model, they created the most sophisticated model. From time to time, they would meet and would hold competitions. Who created the most beautiful fish? Who created the most beautiful bird? One day, they decided to create human beings, even though it was forbidden to create human beings. But it's impossible to stop science. Scientists move forward.

Nehemia: So, the snake team, they were defying the will of Yahweh who was in charge of all the scientists. They were defying… they were going against the will of Yahweh. Is that what you believe in?

Kobi: Yahweh was actually the president of the planet of the eternals.

Nehemia: That's not this planet, it's a different planet?

Kobi: Yes, their planet. And yes, when it was already an established fact that the scientists created human beings, there was nothing that could be done. They were alarmed, on the planet of the eternals, that human beings were created here. Furthermore, they created human beings with brains a little larger than theirs, more developed.

Nehemia: Wait, so we're smarter than the gods, than Elohim? Well, potentially we are.

Kobi: In potential, yes. For a scientist it's not a great challenge to make something just like himself. He can, with genetic engineering, even create Superman. But it's dangerous, because one day he might stomp on you. Therefore, they made something slightly better than them. They even tell us, “You can get further than us in science. You have a larger capacity.”

Nehemia: But where do they say that? You said, “They say that…”

Kobi: In our book.

Nehemia: Okay, so that was one of the things revealed to Claude Vorilhon. Let's go back to that. Claude Vorilhon, from what I understand, was a racecar driver in southern France, and then he had a magazine related to racing. And he's driving around, minding his own business in southern France, near volcanoes. What happens?

Kobi: I can start a little before that. As a child, he grew up in Catholic dormitories. He didn't want to study anything. It's important for me to explain his background so that you understand. At the age of 26, this man publishes a book that has knowledge about all the ancient scriptures of all the religions, about physics, genetic engineering, futurism, education, psychology. This knowledge couldn't have come from a man like this. You have to understand his background. I don't have time to explain. If you want, you can download the book in any language from the website www.rael.org.

Nehemia: And we'll also post these links on nehemiaswall.com, on my website, along with a video that, if we have time we'll talk about, that we'll post a link to, and actually a recent decree that we'll post a link to from Raël, or from Yahweh himself, according to Raël. All right, so he's growing up, and he doesn't have the ability to know this information and...

Kobi: One word about the snake team, I want to finish talking about the snake team. When human beings were a fact on planet Earth, an order was given by the government of the planet of the eternals not to transmit scientific knowledge to them, or how is it expressed through the metaphorical language in the Hebrew Bible? “From all the books we have in the library you may read, but not from the books of knowledge. From every tree in the Garden of Eden you may eat, just not from the tree of knowledge.”

Nehemia: So, to eat from a tree is actually to read a book, according to Raël?

Kobi: Yes, it was knowledge, only knowledge. And what did the snake say to human beings? The moment that you eat from the tree of knowledge, “And you shall be as Elohim,” meaning the only thing that differentiates between us and Elohim is scientific knowledge.

Nehemia: That's interesting. One of the things that you said in the talk yesterday that I went to, or maybe it was in the video, I don't know, is that one of the central ideas of Raëlianism - is it Raëlianism or Raëlism? Whatever it is… of the Raël movement or religion is to spiritualize science. I think that was a term they actually used, to “spiritualize science,” and I guess to demythologize God.

Kobi: That's nice, I don't remember...

Nehemia: I think I heard that in your video.

Kobi: Oh, really? It could be.

Nehemia: I definitely heard it, because I wrote it down.

Kobi: I read the Hebrew subtitles, so I don't notice the English. By the way, the one speaking there is a scientist himself. Dr. Marcus Wenner is a psycho-neuro immunologist.

Nehemia: If you can give us that video, we'll post a link to it on the website.

Kobi: Yes, I'll definitely give it. What we say is that science must come from energy that is called “love.” When science comes without love, it creates the atom bomb. When science comes with love, it produces food for everyone. It eradicates all disease.

Nehemia: And actually, part of your understanding is that on August 6th, 1945, they dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima, and that's when the people on this other planet, the Elohim, decided it's time to send a new revelation to the world. And that new revelation came on December 13th,1973 to this man who had grown up in the Catholic schools. And Claude Vorilhon, tell us about this experience.

Kobi: They decided to send another messenger. He was created in 1945 and was born on September 30th, 1946. On that wintery day, December 13, instead of going to his office, he suddenly felt an intense impulse to go somewhere else. He doesn't understand why. He has a desk full of work. He travels to a desolate place in France called Puy de Lassolas. He knows the place well from the summer, but he'd never been there in winter. He gets out of the car and starts walking. He thinks maybe he wants to hike there.

When he wants to return, he suddenly sees a light in the sky, a flashing light, and something that looks like a helicopter but without any noise. He suddenly sees a low-flying object, and he understands he's about to see a UFO. He always dreamed of seeing a UFO, but never believed it would happen to him. Suddenly, when it lands close to him, he realizes it's about to happen. Suddenly, stairs open from the bottom of a bell. It's in the shape of a bell. He understands something is about to come out. He says to himself, “I'll wait to see. To run, not to run, I'll wait. If he's holding a weapon, I'll run. If he doesn't have anything, I'll wait to meet him.” He comes out and he sees a pair of legs. He understands that something is about to come out that looks like a human being. What initially looked like a child, when he comes close, he realizes it's an adult man, just short, about 1.2 or 1.25 meters. In order to see if he can even hear he says, “Hello.” The extraterrestrial responds in fluent French. He's astonished. Then, like a journalist, he starts to interview him. “Where are you from?”

Nehemia: At this point he was a journalist that had the racing magazine, is that right?

Kobi: Correct. He asks him, “Where did you come from?” The extraterrestrial says, “From very far away.” “What did you come to do today?” “I came to meet you, Claude Vorilhon. You are married. 26 years old. You have two children.” He makes him understand that he knows him well. “I chose you for a very important mission.” Then he invites him into the spaceship.

Nehemia: Wow, and then he revealed to him, and there's are five books of the things that were revealed, according to the Raëlians, to Claude Vorilhon, and we'll have a link to their website. And you can download these books for free, is that right?

Kobi: Correct, we're a nonprofit movement. What didn't cost us money, we give for free.

Nehemia: I'm going to refer people to that. We're trying to do this in a relatively short period of time, partly because I have to translate all of it into English. But also, we're trying to keep the show to about 30 to 45 minutes. Good luck, Nehemia. I go over it sometimes.

I want to ask you about something that Claude Vorilhon wrote. There was a video you referred to me, and I'll post the link on nehemiaswall.com. I'll call him Raël for the rest of the interview. It's something that Raël said in this video. It's pretty incredible, I want to read it. This is something that Raël says in this video. He says, “I am the Messiah, and I bring a message from the Elohim.” And, of course, Elohim in your understanding, that is the people who came from the sky, the extraterrestrials. And then he says, “If the government of Israel refuses the authorization to build the Third Temple, the Embassy of the Elohim, Israel will lose this protection from the Elohim, and it means that it will be destroyed.” And we'll get to the more recent message. But one of your beliefs is that the Jewish people, the people of Israel, have a special role in the world, that they were created on the Temple Mount, and they were the most beautiful model, which explains Bar Refaeli, and...

Kobi: There were seven laboratories. The laboratory that was in the area of Israel created the most successful model of human. They lived in the area that today is called “Israel.” The sons of Elohim, as it is written in Genesis 6:2, had sex with the beautiful women who were in this area. This sexual union produced the smartest and most famous people of that era. You can read about it in Genesis 6, in the continuation of the chapter. The Jews are the descendants of those who were born from the sexual union of the sons of Elohim with the human women.

Nehemia: Okay, I see.

Kobi: Something that maybe shouldn't have happened; something that happened by chance.

Nehemia: Okay, and so, back to Raël. He's saying he's the Mashiach. He created the State of Israel, is that correct?

Kobi: Elohim helped to create the State of Israel.

Nehemia: They helped create the State of Israel, and they've been giving it protection all the way from the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 up until August 6, 2015. We'll talk in a minute about what happened on August 6th, 2015, but you shared something absolutely fascinating at the talk yesterday. This was the meeting of the Raël movement in Israel, in Tel Aviv. And what you shared was something you said was your own research. It wasn't necessarily a message from Raël, but can you share about it? Because I didn't know this information. It was about the story of Nachman Shai and the anniversary of the Yom Kippur War. For those who don't know, the Yom Kippur War was in 1973. It was a devastating war where Israel barely survived.

Kobi: Right, like Nehemia just said. What we say is that Elohim helped establish the State of Israel and bestowed protection to the State of Israel in all the wars that took place. In all the wars that took place, anyone connected to the Israeli defense establishment knows there were miracles. The religious, of course, will say the miracles are from God. We know that these miracles were accomplished through technology. We know that the intelligence officers of the IDF who interrogated Egyptian soldiers, asked them, “Why did you surrender?” The Egyptians responded, “First of all, we saw thousands of soldiers attacking us. And secondly, we saw Jinn demons coming down from heaven and fighting for the Jews.”

Nehemia: And what they called “demons” might be what religious Jews, at least, would call “angels.” But anyway, go on.

Kobi: That's what they saw. They saw it. The Israeli officers said to them, “We were a very small number of soldiers; why did you surrender?” They said, “We saw thousands of soldiers.” When I read the Quran, I suddenly find that Mohammed says there that Elohim rewarded their believers by making their enemies in battle see double, that's one thing.

Nehemia: And just really quick, so you believe that Mohammed was one of the messengers of Yahweh?

Kobi: Yeah, absolutely.

Nehemia: And right now, he's on that other planet along with Jesus, and Buddha, and Moses. Is that correct?

Kobi: Yes.

Nehemia: Okay, go on with the miracles. I want to hear this part. And this isn't a Raëlian thing. This is something you discovered that's known to the people in the Israeli Defense community, and that you're saying, here's the application from the perspective of the Raëlians.

Kobi: I remember when I read an article written for the 30th anniversary after the Yom Kippur War. Nachman Shai wrote the article, and he said as follows...

Nehemia: Let me just tell people, Nachman Shai, he’s a member of the Knesset today. I remember him in 1990 when the Iraqis were firing rockets on us, and we would turn on the radio and Nachman Shai would come on and tell us, “You should put on the gas masks. You should take off the gas masks. You should go in the sealed room for the poison gas. You can come out now.” I mean, at one point he was a military spokesman, and he's a very famous reporter. And so, Nachman Shai wrote on the 30th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War…

Kobi: And he told the story that he was in the pit in Bir Gifgafa with all the senior generals of the Israeli army.

Nehemia: That was the command and control center in Sinai.

Kobi: Exactly. And he said, “All of us journalists who were there, we swore an oath to never tell what we saw there, in what state the Israeli generals were. It was a catastrophe. They were about to surrender. And I don't want to say anything beyond that. The only way we won the war, and I'm not a religious man…” he said, “is that there was absolutely a miracle here.” You have to also look at the Syrians. Nothing stopped the Syrians from reaching Haifa. The Tzvika force, Kahalani with another tank and a half. This isn't what stopped the Syrians. What stopped the Syrians, in my opinion, a sort of other technology that operated through the brain.

Nehemia: And those people who have read my book, “Shattering the Conspiracy of Silence” and the “Open Door” series, I actually talk about… there is a testimony from a Syrian commander that he saw a line of white angels, and a hand came down from heaven and said, “Stop.” So, in my faith, in my understanding, that was angels that… I call him Yehovah, that He sent. And in my view, of course, Yehovah is a supernatural being, but in your understanding, Yahweh, or Yahveh, is an extraterrestrial who used technology to control the minds of the Syrians.

Kobi: Absolutely.

Nehemia: All right. Look, this is Hebrew Voices. We're hearing different perspectives. And, you know, I see things one way. You're a native-born Israeli, and you served in the Israeli army, right?

Kobi: Yes.

Nehemia: And you were telling me your son served in the Israeli military, even in the context of being a Raëlian, who are pacifists. Can you just really briefly tell us about that?

Kobi: On the table in my home there was a Quran, a New Testament, a Hebrew Bible, and our book, The Truth About Elohim. My children could read everything, they’d read it all, and one day they decided on their own to join. When my son was young, he joined the Israeli army. He asked to serve without a weapon.

Nehemia: And you can do that in the Israeli army? You can serve without weapons?

Kobi: Yes, you can. So, they sent him to a communications course in the Israeli Air Force. He was in a type of communications, operating communications equipment in the Air Force, but he was without a weapon.

Nehemia: I understand. And that has been, up till now, permissible in the Raëlian movement. And then now, let's get to August 6th, 2015. So, the Elohim, according to your understanding, they're doing these miracles, what I call miracles in the Yom Kippur War. They're intervening, they're giving protection, and there's a new revelation now from Raël. Would you call it a revelation? What do you call it? A message he received…

Kobi: A telepathic message.

Nehemia: He received a telepathic message according to the Raëlians.

Kobi: A telepathic message.

Nehemia: Let me read from the new telepathic message and ask you to comment on it. Actually, the first thing here is an introduction by the... I think he's a Rabbi in Canada. Is that right, Malul, or someone?

Kobi: Leon Malul is Jewish, he was born in Morocco. He immigrated to Canada and then to Israel. He's responsible for the Middle East. Today, he's the head guide for the Middle East. He's the grand Rabbi of the Raëlian movement.

Nehemia: Okay, the grand Rabbi of the Raëlian movement. He's the head guide of the Middle East, and he wrote, on the 6th of August 2015, “Through the mouth of his son, the Mashiach Raël, Yahweh announced that henceforth, he has withdrawn the protection that he had granted to Israel.” And I'm going to post a link to this. This is me, reading from what this head Rabbi of the Raëlian movement wrote. And he goes on, “The message of the Mashiach Raël, the last Prophet, and our request for the embassy have been treated with contempt.” Let's stop there. What is the embassy? This is what got me interested in the first place.

Kobi: The Elohim helped establish the State of Israel for one reason. The Jews were given a very, very important role; to reveal and tell the entire world who the Elohim are, and one day to establish for them a landing site, an embassy with extraterritorial status, like any embassy. To receive them with the appropriate dignity due to creators, not as would be given to supernatural gods. This is why they're requesting the embassy, which in Jewish tradition is called the “Third Temple.”

Nehemia: So, you want the Third Temple to be this landing pad for the extraterrestrials.

Kobi: The First Temple was also for them. King Solomon, when he finishes building the First Temple, he says to Yahweh, “You wanted to dwell in the cloud, in the mist, and I built for you a house to dwell in.” The Temple was dictated precisely how to build it. Also, Yahweh spoke to Ezekiel, and he points to the east gate and says to him, “This gate will always be closed.” This is the gate that only Yahweh Elohim will enter. They had a gate that led to... it is also written in the Hebrew Bible that the president ate bread with Elohim, meaning, this is speaking about people. Moses also spoke with Elohim.

Nehemia: And the Elohim are people?

Kobi: Yes.

Nehemia: You have some verses here, can you read them? We love verses in this program. You can read it in Hebrew, I'll translate.

Kobi: First of all, if you want to know who Yahweh is, in Exodus 15:3 it is written that Yahweh is a man. It isn't written that he is a God. What kind of man? A man of war, Yahweh is his name. If he is God, why does he have to fight? He really is a man. He also says to Moses in Exodus 33:11, “And Yahweh spoke to Moses face-to-face, as a man speaks to his fellow.” Meaning, it's not enough that they say he speaks face to face. In order that you’ll understand, he adds a further sentence, “Like a man speaks to his friend.” Meaning, he speaks to him face to face. A spirit doesn't speak in this manner.

Nehemia: Certainly, Judaism today understands this to be metaphorical. And, you know, I think you mentioned yesterday it was Maimonides who made that big shift. I remember when I was a kid, my father was a Rabbi, and one day we were studying Maimonides. And we came to this passage where Maimonides speaks about “that fool who says that God has a body.” And my father explained to me, he was referring to Rashi. There's a famous passage in Maimonides.

Kobi: The faith of the Jews for thousands of years, as the Prophets wrote, as the Sages of the Mishnah and Talmud, that Elohim has a completely physical body. The only one who changes it was Maimonides in the 13th century. Then he said, “He has no image, He has no likeness.” He made a revolution in Judaism. The Rabbis burned the books of the Maimonides and banned him for 200 years for daring to change the Jewish faith.

Nehemia: Bring us a few more verses.

Kobi: For example, religious Judaism says, “Where is Elohim? He's omnipresent.” Rather embarrassingly, the Hebrew Bible says the opposite. In Isaiah 13 it is written, “They come from a distant land, from the end of the heavens, Yahweh and the weapons of his indignation.” Meaning, he's not from here. He's coming from the ends of heaven. Someone coming from the ends of heaven isn't omnipresent.

Nehemia: I would say it's a metaphor, but okay.

Kobi: So many metaphors.

Nehemia: Well, it's interesting. You say the Snake is a metaphor, and I say it's literal. And when it comes to what's called the anthropomorphisms, I say it's literal, and you say it's a metaphor. And look, this is Hebrew Voices, go on. Read us some more verses.

Kobi: I didn't say it's a metaphor. It was only the name of this team.

Nehemia: No, but I believe there was an actual snake that had scales. You don't believe that, right?

Kobi: When the snake team was punished, according to the Hebrew Bible, I called something else a metaphor. They said to him, “You shall crawl on your stomach.”

Nehemia: And that’s a metaphor? You can’t take off from the planet, right?

Kobi: Yes, you can't go back.

Nehemia: And I think it was a snake with legs that had to crawl on its stomach. It's really interesting. There are things that I say are a metaphor and you say are literal, and there are things that are the opposite. And that's actually interesting, because, you know, my interaction with a lot of different perspectives will be around that issue. What do you take literal? What do you take metaphorically? And then also, what's emphasized by different groups. And you're clearly emphasizing the things that I would understand… But bring us some more.

Kobi: You use your own logic to analyze these verses.

Nehemia: Amen, I agree with that.

Kobi: Another example. When Elohim in the Hebrew Bible wants to get from place to place, he takes some sort of flying vehicle.

Nehemia: That's like riding on the clouds in Psalms.

Kobi: This appears in many places, and then it's clear he's not omnipresent. In Exodus 16:9, “And Yahweh said to Moses, ‘Behold, I'm coming to you in a thick cloud.’” That's one verse. There's a more interesting verse in Isaiah 19:1. “An oracle concerning Egypt.” See, Yahweh is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt.

Nehemia: And that's a spaceship, according to your understanding.

Kobi: Of course, because for humans, the only thing in the sky that moved was clouds. They saw that a regular cloud flies slowly. The cloud of Yahweh flies fast. So, what is the conclusion of a smart person? It shows it's a swift cloud.

Nehemia: It's really interesting, and this is a side point. I know a lot of Christians, when they talk about the Book of Revelation, I think it's a description of locusts, and they say, “Well, that's helicopters.” When John of Patmos saw the vision, he didn't know what a helicopter was, so he called it a “locust.” And you're saying it's a similar sort of thing. They were interpreting it through their primitive view, things that today, you could explain scientifically.

Kobi: John was also taken to a spaceship of one of the creators.

Nehemia: This is John of Patmos in the Book of Revelation.

Kobi: Yes, and they showed him on the television what will be in the future. And he saw helicopters, he saw airplanes, etc.

Nehemia: My point is that there are mainstream Christians who will say, “Of course the locust is a helicopter. It's like a helicopter or an Apache, what else could it be?” And it's interesting, because when they apply that logic to these other things, you're coming up with some really interesting things. I want to talk about this all night, but we don't have time, so I'm going to jump back to this recent message, you call it, of Raël.

And, actually, the way that message is worded in the link that you sent me isn't even as a message from Raël. It's worded as a message from Yahweh himself. It starts out and it says, “New message from the Elohim to the Jewish people.” This is specifically for the Jews, if you're not Jewish you can stop listening. August 6th, 2015, and it says here the 21st of Av, 5775. “I, Yahweh, through the mouth of my son and Prophet Raël, am addressing this message to the Jewish people. The protection that had been granted to Israel is from today...” And look, I'm not reading the whole thing, guys. If you want to know the context, I'm always about the context. Go read the whole context. There's a lot here I'm not reading. There are all kinds of issues we can go into. I'm just reading part of it.

He says, “The protection that had been granted to Israel is from today totally withdrawn. And I ask all the real Jews to leave the land of Palestine as quickly as possible.” We could spend the rest of the time talking about Palestine. I'm going to ask you that we don't talk about that. “We had provided this protection in the hope that the construction of the embassy, the Third Temple, the old writings where we would have returned, etc.” He goes on. Look, I'm only reading part of it, we're running out of time. “Our protection has now ended. And the real Jews are again condemned to a new diaspora, to live among the other nations of earth.”

And I found out last night at your monthly meeting, you're leaving Israel. You're taking this seriously. You're getting up and leaving, because Yahweh in this message, according to Raël, from August 6th, 2015, told you, “Look, you gotta get out.” It goes on, it says about leaving as quickly as possible. Maybe I already read that part, I don't know. And you're actually doing it. I spoke to a man last night, he was one of your, I guess you call them leaders, I don't know what the title is. He told me the man is picking up his whole family, leaving everything and moving to Panama with his whole family.

Kobi: He's a guide, also.

Nehemia: He’s a guide, okay. So, this isn't a hobby. You take this really seriously, and you're living this faith. You may not call it a faith, but I call it a faith. You're living this faith with your actions. Tell us about this.

Kobi: Every one of us, before he entered and became a Raëlian, checked the facts well. I found that this message could only be true. Raël told us 42 years ago all kinds of very precise scientific messages that scientists laughed at when they heard about them. Suddenly, after a number of years, science discovered more and confirmed time after time things that Raël said.

When it reached a certain critical mass of facts, as far as I'm concerned, I said to myself, “Okay, from now on, I'm willing to accept all the things I have no ability to check. After I have checked time and again, I'm also willing to accept things that I can't check.” Whether he really met them, or he didn't really mean them, I decided to accept everything that Raël said, of course, adhering to the philosophy and value of the Raëlians, which tell me, “If your leader tells you to do something against your conscience, refuse to do it.” Even if Elohim will tell you.

Nehemia: Even if it's Yahweh.

Kobi: Even if Yahweh will tell you to do something against your conscience, refuse to do it. We are the only religion that says so. Refuse to do it. Now, this last message, with all the difficulty and pain... I love this place, I enjoy it. I was born here.

Nehemia: You were born here. You've lived here longer than I've been alive.

Kobi: My whole family is here, my friends are here, but I know it will happen. I’ve fulfilled my role the best I could by giving this information to everyone I know. The Raëlian movement made sure to give it to all the Israeli embassies around the world, to all the members of the Knesset, to all the members of the government, and to the Prime Minister himself.

Nehemia: Netanyahu has this information that I just read to you?

Kobi: His assistants certainly have it.

Nehemia: We don't know if he read it; it was sent in his direction.

Kobi: I don't know where it stopped. And I'm looking for someone who can give it to Netanyahu himself, so that he can consider on his own what to do. Maybe he can stop it. The Elohim will not do anything to harm Israel. They're only removing their protection from Israel for betraying the core values that they dictated, like “Thou shalt not murder,” and scorning their message and messenger. Israel will be destroyed by her enemies, not by the Elohim. If Israel has to face with the real power that it has, 1,000 Iranian rockets, 1,000 Hizballah rockets, 1,000 Hamas rockets, and more rockets from ISIS in Sinai, and maybe a fifth column of Israeli Arabs. It's hard for me to see Israel…

Nehemia: And is it your understanding that some time, I guess before the next message on August 6th, 2016, that Israel will see... I mean, this is what I understood yesterday, that Israel will cease to be a state sometime in the coming months? Is this what you understand?

Kobi: Yes.

Nehemia: Let me just clarify that. What will happen to all the people in Israel? You don't know, I guess. It won't be good.

Kobi: It's hard for me to think about that, but...

Nehemia: This could be the next Holocaust.

Kobi: Yes, if you look at... I usually don't read. When we received this message, we went to search in every place possible. We found that Rabbis are also saying the same thing.

Nehemia: You mean the Orthodox Rabbis are saying a similar thing?

Kobi: Two thirds of the Jewish people will die.

Nehemia: Oh, so you're talking about the prophecy in the book of Zechariah, that that's going to be fulfilled here. I think it's Zechariah 14. You guys can look it up.

Kobi: I don't know. They're talking about it being right after the holidays in 2015.

Nehemia: Wait, wait, wait. There's a specific prophecy in Orthodox Judaism, or specific understanding?

Kobi: Rabbi Chafetz Chaim said, “Count from the last Holocaust.” He died before the Holocaust in around 1936. He said, “Count 10 Shemitta cycles and then Gog and Magog will take place.”

Nehemia: Wait a minute, so 10 Shemittot are 1945 plus…

Kobi: It's now, 70 years to Hiroshima.

Nehemia: Somebody say, “Uh-oh.” Oh, it’s 70 years from Hiroshima, okay.

Kobi: So, it’s now.

Nehemia: Okay. Wow, we could talk about this all night. I want to read the last part from the message. And remember, this is the message from August 6th, 2015, that starts out, “I, Yahweh.” I'm going to post a link to it. It says, “Raëlians are now the true Jews.” I want to back up there. One of the things you told me which was really interesting is that if you're a Christian and you want to become a Raëlian, you have to do... I think in English they call it an “act of apostasy.” And if you're a Muslim and you want to join the Raëlians you have to do an act of apostasy. But if you're a Jew, you don't have to, because it's a Jewish movement, according to even Raël, I guess.

Kobi: Yes.

Nehemia: I'm not sure I understood this, and we don't have time to analyze the whole thing. He says, “Raëlians are now the true Jews.”

Kobi: Yes, but we are the only ones who recognize our creators as they are.

Nehemia: Okay. “We ask all Jews to leave Israel as soon as possible to convert to Raëlianism.” And he mentions here, “Raëlian Judaism is Judaism of peace and tolerance.” Again, I'm not reading the whole thing, guys. “Aiming to unite all the nations within a world government.” I gotta tell you, that really scares me, this idea of a one-world government. I'm a libertarian. I want small government, but okay, that's your view of peace. I do want a one-world government under the King Messiah. I don't personally believe that's Raël, but whatever, this is not about that.

And he goes on, “Judaism working especially for the Third Temple or embassy, where we will officially return…” meaning that the extraterrestrials will return. So, according to this, does that mean... and I'm asking, I don't know. So, Judaism ceases to be. I don't know. What does this mean?

Kobi: Jews will always continue to be Jews in every place, even without the State of Israel.

Nehemia: But now, there's an idea of a true Judaism. It sounds to me like replacement theology in Christianity.

Kobi: Because the Raëlians are the only people who recognize the Elohim for who they really are. The Elohim love both the Jews and the Christians because they honor them, but as supernatural beings. The Raëlians know they are human beings like us. We honor and love them like our own parents. And with the philosophy they gave us, they gave new meaning to life. The Raëlians are the only ones who recognize them. The Raëlians are the ones who, in the eyes of the Elohim, are considered the true Jews.

Nehemia: I really want to thank you, Kobi. There's so much more we could talk about, and we're gonna have to wrap it up here. There really is a lot, we're going to have some links. You guys can go read these books for free if you're interested. There are videos they’ve got, all kinds of information. And look, there are entire aspects of this movement we didn't talk about, you know, because I have a certain interest, which is the Bible and different beliefs and ideas.

I'm just going to wrap it up with my own thoughts. And one of the things that Kobi asked me to do before we do the interview, he says, “You can say whatever you want, but let my words be my words,” and that's why he's going to have the opportunity to check the English translation, and make sure that what he says is represented correctly. But look, my view is, I do believe that Yehovah, I call Him “Yehovah,” is a supernatural being, that He's infinite, that He's always existed. And if there are extraterrestrials or aliens on other planets, they were created by Yehovah, too. That's my belief, that's my faith. I know it to be true from my experience with God. I've experienced God.

I think there's a really important lesson for me, which is, look, you're a native-born Hebrew-speaking Israeli, but you believe these things. Because sometimes, I'll be presented with somebody who says, “Look, you gotta take this seriously, Nehemia.” This doesn't come from some American who immigrated to Israel. He's a native-born Hebrew-speaking Israeli, and that's what you are, and you're a Raëlian. The other thing is, you know, to some people listening and hearing this, they might think this sounds totally wacky, totally wackadoodle. I'll be honest with you. We spoke on the phone for like an hour-and-a-half a couple of weeks ago, and I got off the phone and I thought, “Yeah, it sounds wacky, but not much wackier than some of the other people I speak to.”

And it made me wonder, and here's the challenge for my listeners. You know what? I'm gonna just put this on myself. My challenge here is I'm going to go home, and I'm going to pray and meditate tonight. What do I sound like to other people? Does my belief sound wacky? I mean, to me I know they're all true, and everybody else is wrong. But what do we sound like to other people? I think the important thing is that we can come together and find common ground. I'll be honest, Kobi, I don't know what our common ground is, because we really have different concepts of Elohim, different concepts of yud heh vav heh. We both love the Bible, but we approach it really differently. But look, the one thing I think we do agree on is, we both want peace.

Kobi: Absolutely.

Nehemia: And I do believe that when Elohim comes, He will be One and He will bring peace to the world. And then, we'll all know that Nehemia was right the whole time. Or, you know, I don't know. I want to come before God, and this is a prayer I’ve prayed for many years, it's something King David said. And I can say it to you in Hebrew, and you'll understand it. It's from Psalm 119:18. David haMelekh, King David, he prayed, “Gal eynay ve'abita nifla'ot mitoratekha.” And nifla'ot in biblical Hebrew can also mean “things that are hidden,” wonderful, hidden things.

And this is my prayer. “Yehovah, Father, Creator of the Universe, eternal being as I understand you to be, I don't think you have a body, Father. I think you are an infinite spirit being and this is my understanding. But I know there are things that I don't understand. I'm humble enough to come before You and know that, and I ask You to reveal the truth to me, and reveal the truth to Kobi, and to all those. He truly seeks You and wants to know you. Reveal Your truth to all of us who come and call upon Your name in truth. Amen. Thank you, Kobi.

Kobi: Toda.

Nehemia: I want to thank an anonymous donor for sponsoring this episode of Hebrew Voices.

I want to share something with you guys. You know, one of the things I've noticed on a number of occasions is the most interesting and best part of the entire program takes place after the recorder is turned off. I was there in Petah Tikva with Kobi, and you just heard the episode that I recorded. When I was done recording that, he continued to talk for probably another 10 minutes.

He said, “I don't care if this isn't in the episode, I need you to see these verses. These verses prove what I believe,” what he believes, that Yahweh is an extraterrestrial who came from another planet and created all life on earth. He brought a lot of verses that to me they were metaphorical, allegorical, you know. To me, most of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, they’re poetic style. And a vast majority of those books are actually, in fact, metaphor and allegory and symbolic language. But he turns to me afterwards when he's done, and he says, “Nehemia, you know the Bible so well. How is it that you don't see this or understand it?” Well, I think that speaks for itself. Shalom.

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SHOW NOTES

Kobi Drori lecturing at a Raëlian meeting in Tel Aviv.
Kobi Drori lecturing at a Raëlian meeting in Tel Aviv.
A Raëlian Jew in Tel Aviv wearing a Star of David with a "swirl" inside, a Raëlian symbol.
A Raëlian Jew in Tel Aviv wearing a Star of David with a "swirl" inside, a Raëlian symbol.

Raelian Links:
Message to the People of Israel from Maitreya Rael
Raëlians on the Destruction of the State of Israel
Message from the Designers
Raelian Meeting in Israel on November 3, 2015
Erich von Däniken
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Verses Mentioned:

  • Chof Marcel says:

    In the past Elohim connect to jewish people by asking for a knowledge of him understanding by everyone and that gives belonging of Jewish religion. This knoledge was primitive but needed a certain dose of intuition witch was making “the” difference. First and for ever, it was the knoledge the plurality of Elohim, very important to notice it.
    In the sixth century before Christ Jewish start to believe in one and unique god !!!! So they lost the protection of Elohim in a very dangerous world and it was the first exile in Babylone.
    Elohim have decided to give an other chance to the descendants of jewish in sending a prophet wich restore this knoledge, Ieshoua ben Elohim son of a human virgin and of Iahwe the Alpha of Elohim but the descendants of Jewish people did not undestood again and that was the second diaspora. Don’t you undestand there is necessarily a reason for diaspora ? Remember Elohim connect to jewish people by asking for a knowledge of him understanding by everyone and that gives belonging of Jewish religion. So today, what is up ?
    Elohim gaved back a country for the Jewish People the descendants of Elohim and of human kind at the condition they first listen to the message they send to humanity by Rael and do their job building the ambassy otherwise it is the third diaspora… Wake up all of you and proove you undestand what is Elohim and show you are the jewish people !!!!

  • shell says:

    About what he said that even if God tells you to do something against your conscience to refuse to do it, at least in the new testament i know there is a precedent set for this; when peter has the dream and God tells him to eat all these unclean animals and creeping things, he did refuse. 3 times he had the dream and he told God flat out “NO! Absolutely not” each time. That said, if youre gonna tell God “no”, you had BETTER have scripture to back it up. Remember the torah says He will/may test us to see if we love Him

  • Jeremy Hula says:

    WOW!!! This shows how deception has power over people walking in confusion. So sad. I pray for these people to awaken to The One True Elohim.

  • Collette Enlow Jazaerli says:

    This is demon worship through their demon God of War – Yahweh . Wearing their star symbol and bowing down to creation instead of The Creator YeHoVaH. Beware the Synagogue of HaSatan in your midst…..

  • Alberto says:

    Thousands of years of lies & deception, industrialization of countries, the space race, technological leaps & bounds, thousands of “religions”, the Vatican observing the heavens,…all leading the great deception, the aliens are coming to save us. Thanks Nehemia for your dedication to the truth of the word of YHVH.

  • Adele Voss says:

    I agree you should not link to others who do not agree on the basics. Please tell me you are not buying into this! Nehemia, we count on you to bring us truth and be a rock for us.

    • Robert Kennedy says:

      I also concur on two points – First, the Raelian link takes one to an advertisement to the Raelian cult (complete with a revamped logo incorporating the swastika!)
      Second, the New Age Jesus that Drori professes is not the Yeshua of the gospels. Please, someone from Nehemia’s Wall needs to address this.

    • Jeremy Hula says:

      Yehovah/Yeshua is our Rock. Not Nehemia or anyone else.

  • Bill Tessore says:

    Interesting similarity in the spelling of “Raelian” and “Israeli”. Coincidence? The one statement I agreed with, “If someone orders you to do something, even if it’s YHVH Himself, that, that you believe is wrong, then don’t do it.” But the speaker did not mention this is a mitzvah warning this scenario is one wherein Yehovah has sent a deceiving spirit to test our obedience to Torah. Shabbat shalom.

  • jehovajah says:

    I am pleased you posted this interview.
    There is much to say but I will keep it brief.
    I am a gentile and a self proclaimed Jew because born in 1954 YHWH brought me through much of the same material by Yeshua Ben Miriam bat Yosef, And the result is I Suva Torah. But now you show me a Jew who chooses to follow a gentile Messiah type.

    The study of these Sumerian and Akkadian texts in cuneiform has advanced to the stage where it is clear that Shulgi the king found the texts of the semites about YHWH and without altering them wove them into a Sumerian Epic, produced as a popular song cycle.

    When Terah took Abram out of this system he gave him a meshmerit the Torah of Terah. So it is that Abram protected these statutes and judgements for Moshe to extend.
    Let YHWH be true even if Everyman is declared a liar. ❤️?

  • Paulette Gray says:

    I chose not to listen to this talk based on the written summary but scrolled forward to listen to your comments Nehemia.
    I don’t believe that everyone needs to know every interpretation, only that we are to test everything (and that need be done only when we as individuals are challenged) by returning to the collection of data that is the Bible and make consistent interpretations – God has not told us everything but a God who exists only within the universe of time space and matter is a created being, not God as described to us in the Bible.

  • Walter Schwenk says:

    I keep asking Yah to show me his REALITY, but instead, now we have the news of his RAELity!?!? Where did I go wrong?

  • Stephanie Shiflet says:

    Praise YeHoVah! It is 2019 and Israel is still a state! But of course! 😉 I too, am not so naive to think only earth is occupied in the vast universe YeHoVah created. Thank you, YeHoVah for the discernment you gave me after earnestly seeking it from you! HalleluYah!

  • Walter Schwenk says:

    So glad that Israel is “still there” 3 years later… Libertarian eh? Truly, there is no freedom as wonderful as the freedom from sin. I wonder, what is the Israeli equivalent of the American “Libertarian party”? I did not know that there was one… I have gone “small L” libertarian too. Non-aggression, limited foreign intervention, real currency, financial responsibility.

    I know that Israel is asking for trouble with gey parades, sabbath desecration, etc, but “all jews leave the area” seems a bit extreme and misguided. National repentance would seem to be much less disruptive, and more beneficial. Thanks for teaching “karaism”. The book has worked out well for me too.

  • Anna Holt says:

    What’s in a name? I find it very interesting the name of the alien leader is referred to as Yahweh. After listening to the support team study about the link between Jupiter and Yahweh, this makes a whole lot of sense. Thank you Nehemia for helping us learn how to pronounce The Name of The God of Israel, Yehovah. This episode puts an exclamation point on why your work on The Name is so very important. Also, thank you for taking the time to interview Kobi Drori.

  • Dean Sanders says:

    I’m going to have to appolagize because I can’t get past the first 7 minutes and had to turn it off I just don’t have time for un biblical oddities. I love every thing else you have done though. Too many wrong facts 6,000 yr old earth not 25,000 and “1” Elohim Yehovah not many.

    I am going to have to listen to one of the other videos for my evening study thank you for all you do, you are so compassionate to interview this man with such a great respect that is very honorable of you!

  • Israel says:

    Nehemia, thank you for being so respectful to the man in this interview. I love your conclusion at the very end!

  • Jesse says:

    Those that ‘came from the sky’? Sounds like what the bible mentions of the Nephilim, The ‘fallen ones’ or the fallen angels who were thrown out of heaven and cast down.
    This guy is so deceived that he actually denies the existence of the God of Israel.

  • Chris Kelly says:

    This is the biggest deception I’ve ever seen

  • Leaves Heal says:

    Wow… just… wow.

  • Brian says:

    Interesting that this cat speaking in Japan in the undershirt..the pendant with the Mogen David has a swatstika in the middle of the insignia.

    • John Jozsa says:

      “Star of David” or the shield of David ? I do not seem to find any Biblical description of that. The Menora, not just the Symbol of Israel (the State of Israel) but the symbol of the Seven,should say six day creation. YeHoVaH rested on the seventh.Created noting on that day. Not even religion. !
      By the way, just as consequence therefore, shoukld not the top light be let burn constantly, and light or diminish the individual lights as the days of the week proceed? On OR off, which Halliel you follow.

  • LaVonne says:

    Yes, Nehemiah, we probably do sound ‘mad, insane’ to other people when we speak of our faith. 🙂

    Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
    Deu 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
    Deu 26:18 And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments;
    Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
    1Pet 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

  • LaVonne says:

    Nehemiah, thanks for this voice. I also believe you shouldn’t link to their sites or videos.

    Lk 11:35 “Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness.”
    Jn 1:5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehendfn it.
    Jn 3:19 “And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
    2Cor 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

  • Robert says:

    I just heard the interview Hebrew Voices #11 regarding the Raelians and found it most engaging and intriguing. I also, however, found the perspective of the Raelians, to be generous, rather dubious. The Raelian movement does touch on some Old Testament scriptures, but twists the meaning around to their support their own ends and deception. For example, the reference to Genesis 6 refers to angelic/divine beings who created hybrids (Nephilim) to contaminate the original gene pool made by the true Creator. The Raelians portray them as the good guys, when in actuality, this hybridization “experiment” necessitated the Great Flood judgment . Also, this deception, i.e. that aliens created us, is starting to gain a real foothold regarding the origin of life on Earth. (side question, if aliens made life on Earth, then who made the Earth, the Sun, the Moon and the Stars?)
    Also, I found it most interesting, that during this interview, you referenced the 5th Trumpet Judgement (Revelation 9:1-11) regarding the locusts being helicopters. The “helicopter theory” is a perspective proposed by Hal Lindsey. A closer study of the original Greek language, however, would debunk this perspective. For example, “faces of men” (Rev. 9:7), in the original language actually means that which is turned toward the eye looks like a human. The locust judgement actually ties in with Genesis 6, Joel 2, and now, as I believe, Isaiah 13. In the locust judgement, those bad angels will be released to wreck havoc on the whole earth and even redo what they did in the days of Noah.
    Finally, Yahweh, the true Creator, always has and will always protect Israel. The Raelians are trying to take credit for something that only Yahweh can do. I must say, their timing couldn’t be more intriguing, with everything that’s going on with Russia, Iran and Syria right now (as Yoda would say, “Hmmm, Most intriguing this is”). Anyway, it would be most foolish to be intimidated into leaving Israel at this time.
    I can trust that you already see through all that the Raelians have presented in the here and now, but the times are changing…and fast. When things get really crazy, people tend to grasp at anything that will give them hope. The Raelian movement is ready and willing to step in and fill that role.

  • Robert G. says:

    I think it is clear, if one is honest about historical evidence and textual corruption, that Yahweh, by definition, is extra-terrestrial (not of this earth), as are the Messengers and fallen Watchers. Scripture describes alien craft, but it is NOT space they travel, but dimensions. There is sooooo much more to the story in Genesis, and much has been tampered with by man over thousands of years, even Torah, which we know was not fully written by Moshe, but many writers. We are in EXILE still, but one day we will see the DIMENSIONAL CRAFTS of Yahweh and His Messengers return from “the clouds….”

  • BJ says:

    Has anyone listened to his comments (the Raëlian) that the Koran is a large part of his/their reading and acceptance of truth?
    How is it that our people have become so very twisted in mind and soul…?
    MY PEOPLE PARISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE!

  • Laura says:

    Pseudo-scientists whose evolution theory of origins is crumbling under the weight of recent finds in genetics, are going to love this, when they switch their theory over to alien seeding origins. For those who still insist on religious beliefs beyond what science ‘knows’, science experts will be happy to offer Raelian UFO beliefs as acceptable.

    • John Jozsa says:

      @ Laura. Well, one of the scientific theory of life’s origin is that some self-replicating living organizms may have arrived on meteorites. But of cause claim that all the Earth’s water came that way.
      Any way,if that is true, than the Summarrians lied in their records. They claimed that extraterestials , whom they considered gods, were the Enunnukies from planet Niburu , the tenth planet. They cloned humans to populate Earth, as an experiment.
      But than who were the “sons of gods” who married the “doughters of men”, (and the giants, Nefelins ?
      Summarians were a very advanced civilization. They had paved streets,running water, mail delivery, modern banking methods, and invented the keeping of time. The 24 hour day, 60 seconds minutes, etc.They mapped the Universe, named stars and moons of planets in our Solar system, They just could have NOT seen w/o telescope.There is NO records or any evidence of any previous civilization. Has the ape men advanced so rapidly? Evolutionist refuse to discuss the issue.

  • jess says:

    Another lie, palestine use to belong to the12 tribes of Israel, other nations came and took it away and named palestine.

  • Walter Schwenk says:

    I appreciate their pronunciation of YHWH, but the notion of extra-terrestrials creatinjg “man” the hard way from scratch is preposterous. The logical way for them to create beings in their image is the old fashioned way, as it is written, “be fruitful and multiply”. Raelianism therefore does not compute. Which is not to deny, of course, that the true Elohim may be using them and their message in a way we do not understand. Love of YHWH will give the answers. Peace.

  • Chaim ben Ramon says:

    Nehemia, thanks for bringing this information to us, it was fascinating. As a former “ancient aliens”, “we-all-pray-to-the-same-God” new-ager I found Sinai Covenant/Torah Keeping to be the closest thing to spiritual truth by a mile (once I understood how to tell the differences analytically). The problem with these folks is that they seem to ignore the Torah covenant and one other GIGANTIC oversight… Where did the “elohim” come from originally? Who created them? Who created the Universe? Too long ago to know? I’m surprised, frankly, that you missed this line of questioning during the interview.

  • Here’s a quote from Jews4Rael -website regarding their links Who are the Jews -> We call upon all Jews:

    “To refuse newborn males to be genitally mutilated, sparing them to loose thousands of sensitive nervous receptors and a great deal of sensibility on man’s most pleasurable organ.”

    As a ex-New Age -believer I can say that’s typical New age -thinking to see the Scriptures, which Raelians refer as “Writings”, as “primitive” or “out dated” or some sort. What a slap to our Father Yehovah’s face! Horrible anti-Torah doctrines. But what Yehovah Elohim (who is not E.T. but eternal, omnipotent and all knowing Father and King of the universe) says in Bereshit 17 about the eternal Sign of the Covenant which He has instituted for all men of Israel (incl. Jews from the tribe of Judah) FOREVER?

    Dear Raelian Jewish brothers, does Yahweh / Yehovah change His mind about the eternal Abrahamic Sign of the Covenant which He has instituted for all males of Israel? Is Yehovah and Abraham your Father and do you do the works of Abraham your father as Yeshua (which you see as Messiah) teached as well in John 8? Do you really believe in Yehovah and His Mashiach?

    May Yehovah protect Jews and all 12 tribes of Israel from all deceptions. All in all this was very thought provoking topic. Sometimes we need to get out from our comfort-zones. Thanks again to Nehemia for bringing this up.

    All glory to Melech HaOlam forever! Shabbat Shalom from Finland.

  • And thanks to Nehemia for making such bold choice by making this interview reality. We need more these kind of extra-ordinary brain work provoking themes. Yehovah does not quench thinking, but religion does that.

  • Shabbat Shalom from Finland!

    As an ex-ufo freak and / New Age -person I would like to ask that if Yahweh / Yehovah is a “Raelian” from another galaxy or some sort why He has heavily forbidden all the fun which these “intelligent aliens” are known about or who provoke all Earthlings to do?: worship of the stars, occultism, astrology, clairvoyance, telekinesis, telepathy, automatic writing and all the occult paranormal activity like that?

    If these beings are part of the “Confederation of the Brothers of Light” then why they always sneak into people’s houses in the night time and scare hell out of them and make them fear and suffer even to the point of going mad / experiencing both mental and physical violence?!

    And these beings dare to claim they “come in peace”. Demons and evil spirits masquerading as “angels of light” are real. Some of the stories are fake but there are real stories around the globe and seemingly reports is increasing in number -> endtimes folks.

    If these beings are angels of light why they seem to love darkness and night and do not do their work at daytime as the normal people or the True Children of Light (Yehovah) do in the Feasts of Lights (Hanukkah) and everyday?

    Does these beings encourage people to keep the Torah, commandments of Yehovah? No!

    I know very well what these things and evil beings are from: the shining serpent (nachas) -> HaSatan the fallen cherub.

  • Gabriel says:

    In reference to the above image

    1 Corinthians 11:14

    Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him,

    Malachi 3:6

    For I am YHWH I do not change

  • Janice says:

    Anyone who has lived since 1949, has seen various pictures of the bell saucer with ladder. Most all the ancients believed there was a cosmic temple; and there drawings are not far from the bell saucer with ladder, and of course Jacob’s ladder. Any creative jewish with a love of psy fi, could have put this together. So I forget who what is Yewey? The manager? Where did he it, come fron it’s origins, it’s created by who? what? How about the sky people, what was he source of their existance? Rael? his accent is Hebrew or French? I really don’t like the idea of anyone messing with DNA especially mine and my families. Has nuances of Star Trek. What is meant this is the 7th and last chance to build the Embassy? What were the other six? When? Who?

  • Ester says:

    Totally WHACKY, is right, Nehemia!
    Your personal experience with YHWH speaks louder than words!
    Amein, to your ending prayer!
    Your knowledge of Scriptures got you in good standing where no one can deceive nor mislead you. HalleluYAH! That is the big difference.
    Chag Chanukkah Sameach!

  • jesse says:

    Isaiah said woe those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
    What this false teacher is teaching is blasphemy, calling the God of creation an extraterrestrial creature. Nehemia why allow such false teaching on your site and link to it. Arn’t you concerned that a seeker of truth may stumbling upon your site and be mislead by this false teacher away from God to follow after blasphemy and lies that God is actually an extraterestrial? I know how evil and deceptive this teaching is because I was once there believing it in the 70’s. Because of Von Daniken teaching i was believing in his darkness. Fortunately as a child I was made aware of myself pulling away from the God of truth and it scared me. It was only my ernest prayer to God to show me if this was true or a lie of what Daniken was teaching, God alone made it clear and delivered me out from this deception. Never again will I concider this wicked and evil teaching. It has no place among seekers for truth. What this false teacher is doing is leading people away from the God of Israel into a god of lies. Nehamia, don’t you think you may be contributing to lead people away from the One True God by linking to the Raelians website and their blasphomous teachings. Let us fear God and not share in it. Evil always contradicts truth. We all know God has promised He will never leave Israel and is bringing Jewish people from all over the world back to the Land yet this guy is teaching that God is abandoning them. A lie. While God is bringing his people home to Israel this guy is teaching his followers to leave it in opposition to what God is doing. The Raelians encourage a Palistinian state which is not even possible if you take the bible serious. It’s messing with the covenant promise that God made to Abraham. The Ralians are opposed to the will of God and has no place here with the things of the Lord.
    Shalom

  • Dawn says:

    Just watched a move called Radio Free Albemuth based on a book by Phillip K. Dick from the 80’s. The “theology” in the book/movie is similar to this Raelin teaching. If you look at recent entertainment there is a definate push to permeate the collective consciousness with the possiblity of benevolent aliens that will save the human race. I am a total sci-fi nut (btw Nehemia it’s Star Trek not Trak) but I am grateful to be founded in Torah so that I can check all things, including entertainment, against His word. I fear, however, that people will watch movies like this or hear the teaching of the Raelins and think the Bible actually includes such things. http://radiofreealbemuth.com

  • Kitty Corbett says:

    I find much of interest here, especially in light of Zecharia Sitchen’s books describing the origin of man in much the same way as Rael. But two things especially disturb me about the Raelian take. One is constant reference to the Jews, not to the Whole House of Israel, that being the House of Judah and the House of Israel. But then, there is a prophecy is that the two sticks become one. The other thing is that Raelians believe Israel will lose the coming war. The prophecies I love say that yes, the devastation and death will be great, but that Israel does at last call on YHVH by name, and He fights for Israel, and all Israel’s enemies are defeated. Israel’s borders are then expanded from the Med to the Euphrates. I’ve been hoping that the USA would be YHVH’s right arm in that battle. I cannot abandon my hope for Israel and the USA so quickly.

  • dotco8 says:

    I am glad that you allowed Mr. Drori to be heard.
    I am also glad that we have the option to disagree with him.

  • MaryAnne says:

    Has anyone else noticed RA EL, doesn’t that mean that they are calling “Ra” god? And totally agree Nehemia, IF you know your bible.. you will know that what they say is false.

    • jesse says:

      MaryAnne you are so right. I did not noticed that. Yes, Ra was was the false Egyption god who later became the god Horus. Horus was believed to rule in all creation, and the underworld. The Satanist Alister Crowley who was once called the most wicked man on earth called Horus the god of the New Age. Alister Crowley was also visited by a alter human being named Aiwaz who appointed him as a minister for this false God and a prophet for mankind in this aeon age. Joe Schimmel did an incredible documentary that shocked me on Alister Crowleys New Age movement and its influence in the music and movie industry. The documentary ‘They sold their soul for Rock and Roll’ really put the influence of the New Age movement into perspective for me and this Raelian invasion (Horus or new age invasion) is All part of that. You have already started to make that connection. In the bible names are very important so what you pointed out should not be ignored. This thing is much darker and more deceptive then we may realize.

    • Janice says:

      By the same token, IS RA EL ???? LOL

      • MaryAnne says:

        Janice, I was just looking back on these comments after watching a youtube video and noticed your comment. I was just reading and that jumped out at me too… then I came over here and saw your comment! “Project Blue Beam” seems to be confirming this alien stuff 🙁

  • Mina says:

    This makes me want to cry. Normally I’d have tons to say, scripture to back it up, but I know it wouldn’t matter. Because this has happened many times before. These people are looking to the times, they see isis on the horizon so it’s very possible isis or their friends may indeed attack Israel. And our current potus is too weak on this matter to be of any real good, so I fear. But I believe YHWH ‘s promise was eternal. He will not abandon Israel. But I also know that if their prediction does not come true, cognitive dissonance will kick in, and instead of realizing the truth, they’ll create a new reason for why it didn’t happen. I guess the bright side is they’re not trying to turn their leader into a semi divine being. Yet.

  • martti nurminen says:

    elohim ya_w are this here recording voice tellling very good our interests .

  • Sharon says:

    Great interview! fascinating!

  • MaryAnne says:

    Nehemia, about your David & Goliath story, I heard a neat story about that and the smooth stones. Someone once said that the reason David took the other 4 stones was because Goliath had 4 brothers 🙂

  • Rael's Hidden Secret says:

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  • clarkrion says:

    Nehemia for 40 years I listened to lies from so many sources. When I listen to you even if it is different than my understanding I always recheck your understanding compared to my own studies. I would like to know if there is a place in America where Karaites meet. I heard that people can exchange what they believe they found in scriptures with each other there. I test (Borean) all new information. Every time with you, your teachings were solid to the point that as long as it stays in line with the rest of the scriptures. I have no need to check your work very well done you are the only one in over 40 years of study. I still am not in total agreement with everything you believe as, I am not in total agreement with myself.

  • MaryAnne says:

    It’s my birthday today, 62 years old, and I knew this was coming eventually. 🙂 Don’t fall for this people of YH_H, they will deceive “even the elect, if possible” with all lying and deceitful miracles.

    • Mary Yeh says:

      Happy birthday a few days late, Mary Anne! I am already 62! We are in the same age group! Praise Yehovah for keeping us to see these days of Israel’s restoration! What a signpost for the Messiah coming!

      I just have to say to Nehemia, you are correct this is part of the Hebrew voices that are stirring in Israel. I have never heard of Raelians and appreciate the introduction but to see an Israeli born Hebrew speaking Jew taken away from God’s command from the Hebrew Bible to come back to Israel the land and stay permanently disturbs me. Israel is drawing the wackos, but you are not wacko. Stay strong in your faith to Yehovah. That is what has drawn me to your wall to support your Makor Ministry as you announce the stability and truth of Hebrew from the Word of Yehovah. I only go after Yehovah and as a Christian, His Son Christ Jesus who is the Father. Yes, you don’t believe in His Son, but we believe in the same Creator. I don’t worry about you not believing in His Son. All Israel will be saved and the true Messiah will prevail. It is up to the Father how He directs us all. It is not our boasting and controlling. We are called to where we are and you are doing what our Heavenly Father has you doing. Stay true as your conscience tells you. I am.

      I see these Raelians as a religious cult to draw others away from the true God. To take the Jews out of Israel is being disobedient to Him since that is His heritage to His chosen people covenanted with Abraham on down to Isaac, Israel and the Twelve Tribes with all the generations born to them up to this present date. The Redemption of Israel is the salvation of all the nations. It is coming.

      Those fallen spirits coming as extraterrestrials are a sham! What evil warfare in the spiritual realm against the Jews!!!!! They are real. I watch Ancient Aliens to see what lies those fallen gods have shared with the pagan nations to conjure up to trap man like the snake in the Garden of Eden away from the voice of God in His Word. Star people. They will draw you away if you are not strong in the grace and love of the Father. If there are not the Jews staying on the land, their is no recovery and there is no way the true Messiah can come back. As a Christian, I see that the third Temple is predicted to be rebuilt and the all time worst ultimate Antichrist/Pseudochrist (pseudo is Greek for not real, fake, not genuine, in place of Messiah, false) will draw Israel and the nations in worship like Ceasar, declaring they were god in each generation of the Roman Empire, where the age-ending Anti-Messiah will declare in the Holiest of Holies rebuilt! THE ULTIMATE IN DECEPTION IN WORSHIP AWAY FROM YEHOVAH! No wonder the Raelians want the Third Temple as an embassy to welcome these elohim!

      I have a webpage that I consult cults and here you can check for yourself a profile on them:

      http://www.watchman.org/profiles/pdf/raelianprofile.pdf

      It is free and I trust these Christians who research full time to keep us from being ensnared by such traps of the enemy of God with the truth. James Walker is a former Mormon who heads it up. Listening to that Raelian guy saying he is the Messiah is like all the other pseudo-messiahs through the ages. What a jerk!!!! Applegate! Flags going up everywhere in his falsehood!

      It reminds me of the Ancient Aliens author, Graham Hancock and David Icke taking the DMT/ayahuasca an Amazon hallucinogenic plant that enables you to contact that fallen spirit realm. It is sorcery and witchcraft. Raelians are cloaking with those extraterrestrials.

      see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJI9KqgobPE

      And my final word: what a difference in contact with Keith Johnson compared to that Kobi Drori. I do not believe I heard Keith trying to convince you of Jesus Christ as LORD on any program. This Doiri guy wants you to absolutely come away with him to his cult to Panama and follow those elohim. He will not have the blessing of the true Elohim of Israel who created him as a chosen Jew. Doiri is traipsing on abomination and wickedness against the Torah. I pray for his release from those lying demons and evil spirits. We are in the last days before Mashiach takes over. The elect of God can be deceived. The deception(s) will only increase. I pray for your faithfulness to your Makor Ministry and that this entry of the Raelians on your wall does not draw others seeking the truth of the Hebrew God to follow Raelian religion. Save us, Yehovah, with Your very Self and keep us in Your true Light and Truth now and forever and protect Nehemia’s Wall on the Internet for You!

      I love your teaching video on the Yom Kippur War. It is the truth of the God of Israel’s protection of you, the Chosen People of God of all the nations of the earth.

  • David says:

    These Raelians sound a lot like many other humans. They assume what they are able to observe about themselves is all there is. Wonder if Psalms 14:1 fits?

    • David says:

      Wow, just looked at the other video. The one where they claim that one day by manipulating DNA, cloning and eventually transferring the mind they will have eternal life.

      The problem I have with their idea of eternal life is, we all live in and are bound by this pesky thing called spacetime. The dimension of matter is the dimension of spacetime. In the dimension of spacetime nothing lives forever.

      In my opinion eternal doesn’t mean something that lasts for ‘all of time’. It means something that exists in the realm of timelessness where there is no space, there is no time. Hayah, Hoveh, Yihyeh

      Maybe Im just crazy too 🙂

      • LaVonne says:

        There is Truth in your opinion, David. I also believe we will live eternally in timelessness (Eternity). Glory to Abbah Yahuah!

  • Brenda says:

    Ok, now that I’ve stopped laughing, let me ask the same question that was posed to that amazing one-man brain trust, Christopher Hitchins: If little green men created us, who created them??? Reminds me of another story about an angel named Moroni (the plural of moron)…

    • Aron Brackeen says:

      Right on, Brenda. Moments ago, I spoke that M-word to my friend. Sticking to the un-created, eternal, invisible YeHoVaH borey!

    • Bioengineerer says:

      I wonder if the ‘things’ that mankind is creating, via bioengineering, will ask the same question… Who created these humans that created us? Kind of a rhetorical question in light of an infinite reality of existence through the advancement of knowledge and creation through science…

  • Aron Brackeen says:

    Wow…Nehemia, while I am without sufficient work (and money), and just when I am about to receive my passport for traveling to Israel, you give us this*. (HA!)
    A Hebrew voice it is, but oh my…

    Even though there is real trouble on the near/far horizon for Israel and her people, the Raelians, in my understanding, have already been drawn into the NWO’s zeitgeist and Palestinian-factor, and thus abandon YeHoVaH’s covenant with His people, which is to all people who will come. So, not taking the Raelian route, just call me Ruth (Ruth 1:16) That is why I appreciate the song by Rachael Washington, Wherever You Go – The Vow, on For Zion’s Sake. I am keeping my hope and plans to arrive in Tel Aviv, come what may. I agree that we should evaluate how we sound to others, but keep in mind that Light (real light) is not comprehended in darkness and, thus will understandably be viewed as strange, odd, or crazy even though it is actually Aleph, Mem, Tav / emet. So, don’t avoid the labels at the expense of truth.

    *Nehemia, your art of interviewing has risen to a new level. Reverse translating – great! I love your last line.

    Shalom to you, and in Israel (but please prepare yourselves).

  • Dawn says:

    Thank you for bringing this episode. I just read a fascinating book called Alien Intrusion (http://usstore.creation.com/catalog/alien-intrusion-updated-expanded-p-980.html) and the encounter experience in this episode is very much like what is described in this book. The key was that Raelin always wanted a UFO experience – so he was open to visitation. I don’t agree with all of the theology in Alien Intrussion but it is worth reading for the exhaustive research into this phenonmenon. The history discussed in this episode also reminded me of the book of Enoch where a group of angels taught men secret arts including genetic manipulation.
    I see this all as part of the great deception. People will take any nugget of truth and spin it into some new religion or understanding. Anything to avoid following after the one true God – Yehovah – and His ways.
    Thank you Nehemia for sharing a very interesting Hebrew voice!

    • Aron Brackeen says:

      I am so glad, Dawn, that you know of and offer for this dialogue Gary Bates’ excellent book. I have the audiobook and have seen his video presentation, but that was a decade ago. This is serious information that the adversary of YHVH is using against Israel…and all humanity. The pressure is mounting…

      (TY, Nehemia, for allowing the link to stay.)

      -Aron